The Morning After: Young Hoyas Impress in Overtime Loss to Syracuse
by CasualHoya on Feb 9, 2012 9:20 AM EST
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PrintIf you're a Georgetown fan, there's nothing to be ashamed of after last night's thrilling overtime loss to Syracuse at the Carrier Dome. Nothing. At. All. These Hoyas fought hard and were a bounce away from defeating one of the best teams in the country on their home court. If anything, I feel better about this team now than I have all season. Let's get to the links...
Night Court: One of the best nights this season - CBSSports.com
Game of the Night: Syracuse and Georgetown was the better game. And that's the tremendous thing about it. When most of the sports world tuned in to ESPN to watch two classic hoops rivalries, both tilts delivered in a huge way.
Georgetown-Syracuse classic a reminder of what Big East will miss - Michael Rosenberg - SI.com
Georgetown basketball will survive. Syracuse will play great games against Duke and North Carolina and Maryland. But it won't be the same. You can't sign a contract to loathe somebody. And even if Syracuse and Georgetown keep the playing, the rivalry will be a shell of itself.
Hoyas lose heartbreaker at Syracuse
Whether intimidated or not, 6-10 Henry Sims had an awful game, going 1 for 12 from the floor and finishing with six points and eight rebounds. "The ball just wouldn't go in," Thompson said. "He was getting the ball in pretty good position right under the basket. At the end of the day, he got it right there and the ball didn't go in. It happens sometimes.
More after the Jump:
Joseph Carries Orange to OT Win - Sports - The Hoya
For the second time in four years, Georgetown pushed Syracuse to overtime in the Carrier Dome but ultimately fell short.
Syracuse Basketball vs Georgetown Recap: The Sunny Side | syracuse.com
Were you expecting something different? Come on! This is Syracuse and Georgetown we are talking about people. Of course this game went to overtime, had a game-winning shot by a senior having an amazing game, a sequence at the end of regulation that left you scratching your head, 18 lead changes, 15 tie scores, and a partridge in a pear tree.
Jim Boeheim moves ahead of Dean Smith for third place all-time wins in Division I as Syracuse escapes to beat Georgetown in overtime - NY Daily News
When the Orange leaves for the ACC, most likely after next season, this storied series will likely disappear, a victim of conference realignment.
No. 12 Georgetown Falls Short at Syracuse, 64-61 - GUHoyas.com
No. 12 Georgetown used a late rally and had the lead in overtime, but could not the tying basket and No. 2 Syracuse escaped with a 64-61 win over the Hoyas at the Carrier Dome on Wednesday night.
Syracuse 64 - Georgetown 61: The Canadian Went Bakin' - Troy Nunes Is An Absolute Magician
The Orange now continue Hell Week with another Dome tilt against UConn on Saturday before heading to the dreaded confines of the YUM! to face Louisville. They overcame a tough start against a quality opponent and watched as their go-to guy emerged and took over. Great win and great addition to the rivalry.
Georgetown Hoyas vs. Syracuse Orange - Recap - February 08, 2012 - ESPN
The 87th meeting between the staunch rivals -- Syracuse leads 48-39 -- had added significance. With Syracuse's impending move to the Atlantic Coast Conference, it might have been the last time the teams meet as Big East foes in the Carrier Dome.
Georgetown done in by a defensive lapse - Washington Times
All the good things Georgetown did Wednesday night drifted away after one flick of Joseph’s wrist with 29 seconds left in overtime. As the shot clock ticked down, nervous murmurs swirled through the 27,820 fans wearing every imaginable orange accoutrement: jerseys, snow hats, sport coats, scarves, silk pocket squares, button-down shirts, canvas shoes, sweatshirts, polos, hoodies and, of course, the de rigueur T-shirts.
Hoya Prospectus: Recap: Syracuse 64, Georgetown 61 [OT]
Kris Joseph had a career-high number of makes from behind the arc [6/11] to carry the Syracuse Orange over the Georgetown Hoyas in overtime at the Carrier Dome, 64-61. Jospeh had shot a combined 3/27 from 3FG in his previous seven games before tonight.
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So instead of their 60% FT shooters making 100% on the night
We got Kris Joseph going 6/11 from deep, instead of his usual clip. Oh well. St. John’s is next.
by J-Wall's Mom's Broom on Feb 9, 2012 9:26 AM EST reply actions
A bit
But I’ll give him until next year before I really start worrying. He’s shown flashes of potential to be a scoring threat from deep, just needs consistency. Needs to develop as a floor general, and unsure what we’ll do about a press break next year. Ability to penetrate and distribute would be nice, too, if that’s not asking too much.
He is only a sophomore, after all, so hopefully with a little more development he will really come into his own as our PG.
by J-Wall's Mom's Broom on Feb 9, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
This.
He had that one beautiful dive and scoop through the zone in the first half. No PFs, either. That’s a positive.
by Vee Sanford's Next-door Neighbor on Feb 9, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't really think about it during the game
but after seeing the box score, he had some head-scratching #s:
- 2 for 2 from the field, but 1 for 8 from 3 (did he really take 8 shots from beyond the arc?)
- No T/Os, but only one assist
Could he be suffering from the same kind of malady that Jason suffered playing behind Chris and Austin?
So many questions…
After that last, unholy row,
I never, ever play, basketball now.
It joins a list of things I'll miss like fencing foils and lovely girls I'll never kiss.
by vivanloshoyas on Feb 9, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
1-8 from 3 and a lot of them were from NBA range..
He can play so much better.. Gotta be smart and not settle so much on the road against a tough team..
He also
plays a position similar to Clark. When JTIII wants to use the freshman it is hard to keep Starks on the floor in that situation. I am sure it is something that will work out next season, though it would really help this year if he could be a little more steady
Never let facts get in the way of a good argument
by boubacarfor3 on Feb 9, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I think JTIII wanted to use Greg and Jabril for their length and toughness (respectively) on the defensive end, so Starks never really seemed to get into a rhythm. I think the strategy backfired though because both Greg and Jabril were awful in the zone defense, leaving Joseph with 10 feet of space to rain down threes on multiple occasions. I rewatched the game last night in slightly more sober form and the degree to which greg/jabril completely lost track of Joseph (and occasionally others) in an effort to stop penetration or whatever was just insane when we had men in the middle for that purpose. Instead Joseph was allowed to go 6 for 11 from beyond the arc. I know the freshmen are outperforming anyone’s expecations, but they still have a long way to go, and we need to be able to rely on Starks in big games like this. I think getting him back on track should be a big priority for JTIII in practice.
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I’m glad someone else is making that joke.
What are these assertions!?
by DHB Enterprises on Feb 9, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
did jt3 explain why. lubick played so little?
Is he injured? He didn’t play bad when he was in…
by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Feb 9, 2012 10:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Lubick should have played a lot more last night
I am very concerned about our sophomore class. Very.
He certainly wasn't a significant upgrade over Hopkins/Sims, though.
Gave up the alley-oop to Melo, missed a bunny. He brought some nice energy in the first few minutes with a nice offensive board, but Hopkins and Sims did that all game anyway.
by Vee Sanford's Next-door Neighbor on Feb 9, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
The way Sims and Hop were finishing, think he deserved a look..
Otto played so well at the top of the zone so he probably should have got some time at center (Lubick)..
maybe JT3 didnt want to sub out Otto for obvious reasons
and was afraid to match Lubick up against Fab at the 5 spot, though, still think he should have played more.
by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Feb 9, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
urrggh. lubick isn't good as the 5 in a 2-3 zone
and had too much of an athletic disadvantage vs. Melo in man-to-man. Lubick’s minutes would come when Melo wasn’t in or at the 4 but there wasn’t much time there.
by thejerseytornado on Feb 9, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
lubick has tendency to lose his guy on D
alley-oop parade against robinson on kansas, mitchell on ‘bama, a few times against pitt, and again last night. my guess is that defensively he’s just not where jt3 needs him yet. this can be fixed.
Casually.
Drummond did the same
and its as much on sims. Lets face it our 4/5 aint the best leapers (outside of maybe Hopkins) so we can get exposed quite a bit on the lob against big time athletes (Mitchell, Robinson, Drummond).
I think its just a weakness of the zone. Noel cures that too.
by bunk moreland on Feb 9, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
The alley-oops just don't bother me in the slightest
When you remember the last couple years of guys standing idly by while guards blow past them for a nearly uncontested layup, the alley-oop is simply a higher risk variant. The pizazz might wow the yokelry but it still counts for the same number of points as a 12’ jumper.
by HoyaSmacksYa on Feb 9, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
it's demoralizing to a team
it helps make fans louder which can influence ref calls, and in this game it was a case of Lubick losing his zone responsibilities. If it happens on a fast break or because of an amazing play or because Lubick had to get pulled out of position, that’s whatever.
But the oop on him was 100% because he cheated up too early on the zone without check to see where Melo was. In a similar situation, Hopkins didn’t cheat up as much and was able to stop the oop by being in the way.
Lubick played well overall, but when we play zone, he’s not good being the middle of it. and the only reason he wasn’t also 1-10 from the floor was because he wasn’t going to look for his shot. I hope another offseason and he’ll be more comfortable.
by thejerseytornado on Feb 9, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
The Hoyas
got exposed by not having enough height on the blocks. Don’t get me wrong, the young Hoyas played very inspired bball last night, but during certain stretches, Melo’s height was the intimidating factor in key moments.
The Hoyas have size on the blocks but not height (not sayin’ that Ayegba/Adams/Hopkins won’t get taller), it’s just an observation.
We out rebounded them by like 20 though..
Fab is great defensively and guys got over anxious when attacking him.. As with most shot blockers you have to get into there body, or maybe a pump fake would have been nice from time to time.
I think it’s more of a case of fouls taking Henry out of the game and not allowing him to get into a groove. As we now Henry is a rhythm player and he never got that established due to some questionable whistles.
Overall our bigs need to work on there lower body strength so they can maintain strong positions on the block, explode, and finish…
I was tryin' not to go into the aspect of the bad officating ( I agree)
however yes the Hoyas did outrebound the orange (as was mentioned by the halftime commentators about below the charts the orange are in).
Melo was able to ‘disrupt’ some of those shot that occured with Hopkins/Sims/Lubick.
Yeah not gonna complain about the refs either..
Games like this it’s expected that you’re going to play 5 on 8.. Sometimes loosing isn’t a bad thing. It’s all about how you respond.
Kansas taught us we can compete against anyone in the country.
Cuse taught us we can beat anyone in the country..
I concur
those young jokers played with some poise and with passion, they didn’t back down, and also wasn’t intimidated by the ‘vaunted 2-3 zone’ as some ppl state.
God Willin’ this team by next year will be something special (barring injury), let alone as the team approaches the big dance.
Melo's height wasn't the factor that turned those moments!!
It was that he was invulnerable to the puny refs and their whistles. If he had had to play at the same standard Henry was held to, Fab would have spent most of the second half on the bench.
by HoyaSmacksYa on Feb 9, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
disruption from the orange 7'0 clown
were some of the key moments (not tryin to use the ref’s again)
We needed Sims to be big
And he just wasn’t up to it. Still has too many t/o and can’t finish. This was the waiting for the other shoe to drop game from him. Man having Noel to go up against the drummond/melos of the world would be nice.
I also thought with Sims playing as poorly we would been blown out. Tons of credit to the freshman for playing with poise. Moving forward if we defend and rebound like that – very few teams will be us. Also thought Lubick deserved a but more run over Hopkins, especially when Melo was out. Would have liked Hollis to get some of those 3s starks took.
This week in practice – all post players get to work on layups.
christ sorry for all the typos
- would have been blown out.
- very few teams will beat us
- deserved a bit more run
by bunk moreland on Feb 9, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
This years Georgetown team
This loss really is nothing to be ashamed of. The team played hard from start to finish, but the game does show areas that need vast improvement. Firstly, Henry needs to gain some more consistency and confidence in the middle with the ball in his hands. While moving without the ball, Sims boxed out and rebounded with authority during the minutes he played. Sims needs to continue to put the long hours of work in that he has. Otto Porter has been sensational to see work inside the paint. He plays with poise and confidence and most of all heart. This leads me to the point of my long post. This years team is so performing so well despite their youth because Jason Clark is at the helms. Clark is the exact character of person you need leading a group of young players. His jovial and encouraging attitude mixed with an infectious work ethic gives young players something to believe in playing for. I may be biased because I have known Jason for years, but I know that gives me a good basis to judge his character. It shows on the court; Clark hustles from whistle to whistle while on the court, playing lock down defense and communicating constantly with his young teammates during playing and stoppage time. While off the court, he leads by example with a structured work schedule, but balancing necessary downtime and study time. This kid has a good head on his shoulders and if the team keeps working and Clark keeps on his teammates Georgetown will continue to progress, as seen tonight.
Not to be all rosy about Jason, he needs to not get to overexcited in some situations, which leads to carelessness with the ball.
That is all
good post
clark has clearly emerged as the team’s leader and has been outstanding taking on the point guard duties and guiding the offense while starks has struggled of late.
Casually.
Not ashamed, just frustrated
by the long offensive droughts. Our great D is keeping us in games, but we put up our 4th worst offensive performance of the season last night. It’s great that we crashed the boards, but we scored something like 6 points off of our 11 offensive rebounds. I know the postgame mantra is “eventually the shots will fall”…but when?
Still a great effort. The freshmen were great in their first Carrier Dome game – poised, played great minutes, etc. Time to bounce back and knock out the Johnnies.
The offense definitely could've used some work
We didn’t penetrate much to break down the zone, just seemed to settle for passes along the perimeter a lot of the time.
Sims and Hop going 2-20 was the biggest issue, I think, but give the Syracuse defense some credit there. They definitely should’ve had a few more buckets, but a lot of those shots were contested very well by the Orange.
All that said, though, I agree on the “still a great effort” part. I’m not sure what the ceiling is for these freshmen and this team going forward, but after last night, it seems pretty high.
by J-Wall's Mom's Broom on Feb 9, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
That loss moved us up in Kenpom rankings
To 11 from 13.
by Northeast Corridor on Feb 9, 2012 10:21 AM EST reply actions
Love the SI article
Thanks for the SI article.
Its a shame that all of this passion is getting thrown away just because of Football revenue. I really wish there was some way you guys could come to the ACC. I don’t care about anyone else in the conference, but a College BBall world without playing Gtown isn’t one I am going to like.
UK and Louisville still have an insanely passionate rivalry, and hopefully the Gtown vs Cuse becomes that. It won’t be the same but something is better than nothing.
I am in the camp that the rivalry is basically done
Not much advantage for us to go to the carrier dome. And frankly giving you guys more exposure in the DC area does not help us either.
We are probably better off scheduling Duke/UCLA/Florida types than playing you guys. Plus you are the ones leaving – can’t complain to much.
by bunk moreland on Feb 9, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I think both teams look forward to this game more than any other each season. I hope we get to continue to play you guys and the rivalry stays strong.
You deserve a Roy Hibbert elbow to the face.
by GeorgetownHoyette on Feb 9, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
I think the rivalry dies, sadly
The geography doesn’t fit like UK-UL or Duke-UNC, and it’s unlikely we’ll get scheduled against each other regularly, if coaches’ and other personnel’s remarks to the media are any indication. I’ll miss it, but this is the world of college basketball now – not much to do but move forward. Thanks for the memories.
by J-Wall's Mom's Broom on Feb 9, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, even if we did keep scheduling one non-conference game a year wouldn't be the same
unfortunate that Syracuse has killed the rivalry. I’ll miss it.
by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Feb 9, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I hope the rivalry lives on, but I don't think it will:
(1) Outside of fan interest, Georgetown gains very little by playing Cuse out of conference.
(2) Historically, Georgetown has let other rivalries die when conferences/schedules dictated. Cuse would join a list that includes Maryland, GW, and NYU.
(3) There will be a lot of pressure on Georgetown from other members of the new Big East not to schedule Cuse, Pitt, or WVU.
(4) The schools are too different for the rivalry to continue out of conference. One school is a large private non-denominational school, the other is a small jesuit school. The schools’ have different academic reputations. The schools have different fanbases – Gtown’s is all alumni, Cuse is a regional draw. The schools aren’t in the same state/in neighboring states.
(5) From a recuiting perspective, there are several other schools in the ACC that we should be playing before we play Cuse — Maryland, Duke, and UNC come to mind.
by StPetersburgHoya on Feb 9, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
we don't want to go to the ACC.
we aren’t your throw-ins. Syracuse picked its lot. Now suffer the consequences.
I say we refuse to play in the Dome for 10 years. you can come to the verizon if you want. and yes, you’ll have to pay the HHC donation each time too.
by thejerseytornado on Feb 9, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
no. but trying to take advantage of a bad situation
You left. you want to keep playing against Georgetown because you miss big east basketball? pay the price.
by thejerseytornado on Feb 9, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Pay the price....
Would the Orange actually offer us a guarantee game at our own arena? I could see them forking over $500k or so for the privilege of playing in front of their DC alums, potential recruits, etc., especially once all that ACC football lucre starts rolling in.
To paraphrase Michael Corleone....
“Its not personal, just business”.
And for that reason alone we are likely to continue playing you guys- maybe alternating home&homes like UK-UL.
It would be beneficial to both sides, IMO. As soon as the hurt feelings wear off, the bottom-line fiscal considerations will kick in.
The ones who got shafted most are the fans. The reasons for the move have been discussed ad infinitum. It is what it is.
and I'm saying Georgetown would benefit by taking a hardline on negotiations
Right now, the fans all blame Syracuse for cutting and running. I doubt that changes. But the fans really, really want the rivalry. I want my team to play smart with the negotiations and force Syracuse to pay extra. You guys will have lots more money to spend on athletics anyway, right? :)
and maybe, in some future time be it near term or not, it can become like UL and UK. but right now, this is the one and only thing Georgetown has leverage on and if they don’t take advantage of that…smdh.
by thejerseytornado on Feb 9, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't the Pitt AD persuade the SU AD to make the move to the ACC with them as well?
Pitt’s AD didn’t want any parts of the new deal with the BE, but yet many moons ago bashed VT/BC/Miami for rollin’ to the ACC, but yet when it comes to them….’it was the best thing for the institution (fwiw)!
Unlikely given the Cupcake 'Cuse Non-Conf Schedule
Which elite sports team padded its record by playing Fordham, Colgate, Bucknell?
a) Your Georgetown Hoya Football Team
b) The Patriot League – Lehigh Mountain Hawks
c) An Orange-suited, prison colony in Canada
d) All of the Above
... straight for a -touchdown- rebound
by glackensghost on Feb 9, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Played so hard
Everyone played their hearts out. We can go blaming the awful refereeing all day, but even with that terrible officiating, we still had a chance to win in the end. We lost because of Henry not being able to finish. Hopkins was 1-8, but he is a freshman, hank needed to step up and he didnt. That’s where we lost the game. Otto was amazing, he is going to be a star. The good news is its only february, still more time to get better
interesting ad placement this morning
Casually.
by CasualHoya on Feb 9, 2012 10:48 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
thats a fine data mining algorithm sbnation is using...
Cuse delenda est
You'd have to find a way to control
For cuse trolls and other miscreants voting for “lives” at the expense of all real Hoya fans who say “Die and Piss on its Corpse.”
by HoyaSmacksYa on Feb 9, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
You could just use big words in the post re the poll.
That should confuse the Cuse fans.
by StPetersburgHoya on Feb 9, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
We may be making a huge assumption that we'll get a game at Verizon next year
The geniuses at BE HQ haven’t exactly acquitted themselves in the rivalry-scheduling department lately.
by HoyaSmacksYa on Feb 9, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Casual Awards?
Can they just get uploaded and have the pain over already?
we lost the bet with hoyasuxa and he is currently working on them while burping and farting
my guess is that the decidedly Uncasual Awards won’t post until tomorrow
Casually.
can you hand out casual trophies
since he is authoring casual awards?
To be fair
Suxa is frequently pretty funny. So while they will certainly sting, hopefully there will be enough humor mixed in to make it more bearable than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.
by J-Wall's Mom's Broom on Feb 9, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Just read it as a satirical piece
Might even be able to laugh every so often.
Earmuffs.
by Circus Saximus on Feb 9, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
It's like the original tagline for Wayne's World:
“You’ll laugh. You’ll cry. You’ll hurl.”
And who couldn’t find something to love about that movie?
I really don't feel any better about this loss
than had it been to Rutgers…
we played poorly on offense in some key moments and left Joseph wide open…
Henry was terrible
and at times it looked like we had guys scared to shoot the ball…
Very disappointed that we lost a game we had chances to win
by VictorPage'sLeftEye on Feb 9, 2012 11:28 AM EST reply actions
that's fair
a win goes a hell of a lot further than a moral victory. definitely stings that georgetown probably played better than cuse and may have let this one slip away.
incidentally, i used this to determine whether i should have used ‘further or farther’ in there.
Casually.
I agree we could have won
Not sure I would say that’s a game we should win, whereas I would say that about Rutgers. Pretty big gap in quality of competition there – doesn’t mean anything to you?
by J-Wall's Mom's Broom on Feb 9, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Its Syracuse
quality of competition is irrelevant. I’ll never accept losing to Canada…in anything
by VictorPage'sLeftEye on Feb 9, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'm a Caps fan
So imagine how pissed I am that Sidney F’N Crosby scored the goal that lost us the gold medal in 2010…
by VictorPage'sLeftEye on Feb 9, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I can imagine
That was a great game, though, even if we ended up with the silver.
by J-Wall's Mom's Broom on Feb 9, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
I have to disagree with you there (even though this wasn't my argument)
My perspective is skewed, having spent several years forced to live in real Canada, but I truly hate them more than I hate Syracuse. There are some lovely places to visit (unlike Syracuse), but god damn do I loathe that country and want to beat them to a bloody pulp every chance we get in sports where such violence is allowed. For me, losing that gold medal game in overtime hurt way worse than last night.
(Yes, this was an unprovoked I-Hate-Canada rant. But it made me feel bettter about my day. Thank you for tolerating.)
Not a particuarly avid viewer, actually
But I do support their position on (and consistent mocking of) that terrible nation!
Weird
I have yet to meet a Canadian I didn’t like. Granted, the only ones I’ve met have been at Georgetown and in the DR on spring break, but still a perfect record so far.
by J-Wall's Mom's Broom on Feb 9, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
you just dont understand
I lived there a year in the early 80s… It took me 2 years to smile again,, the people there are OK ..if you are as drunk as they are!
willing to perform Jim B's 'topsy for free..we tryn to win this shit
Ooh, I need to be careful here. Just did some judicious backspacing.
GT8MD is correct in his distinction – I hate Canada, not Canadians. While I could succinctly and scathingly articulate the reasons why (I’ve had practice…), I’ll choose to follow the rule that “if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all.”
So I’ll say one nice thing: the beer commercials were amazing.
Next 4 games must be wins
Sic transit gloria Cuse
by who will sex dikembe tonight on Feb 9, 2012 11:29 AM EST reply actions
only one ranked team
we can do it
Cuse delenda est
Notre Dame should be ranked soon too
Sic transit gloria Cuse
by who will sex dikembe tonight on Feb 9, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
12-13 BE wins
And top 4 BET seeding still very much in play. Hopefully we’ll be heading into the Marquette game with pretty much everything locked up.
I will be attending the Marquette game
Alumni Club of Chicago setting up a very casual bus trip up to Milwaukee. Very much looking forward to it.
by J-Wall's Mom's Broom on Feb 9, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Still broken hearted
but did anyone else get a good laugh at the kid with the sign that said “Georgetown was my safety school” ?
HA yes
What a joke.
You deserve a Roy Hibbert elbow to the face.
by GeorgetownHoyette on Feb 9, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
This loss may end up being the best thing for this team
In the last few years, after big wins, we have tended to get soft and rest on our laurels. Now these guys have tasted what it’s like to be there and lose, and I think it will fuel them going forward. Just look at Jabril’s tweet today:
JT55iVe profile
JT55iVe Woke up ready to play some ball, I can’t wait until our next game; Hoyanation we got y’all!!
love love love that guy
He’s pitch perfect – really hope it translates onto the court for four glorious years of attitude, dedication and smart play.
Also – must note the season-ending development from the last 24 hours, namely the revelation that Congressman Starks might be running for GUSA VP.
NO. NEED.
Hammer of the Cuse
I ran for GUSA VP
TWICE. lost both times, the 2nd campaign was triumphant as we ran as seniors and generated what still registers as the largest voting turnout for the Senior Class in GUSA history.
finished dead last both times.
great story.
Casually.
I voted for you
Been living it down ever since.
Sic transit gloria Cuse
by who will sex dikembe tonight on Feb 9, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Apologies
But I didn’t vote for you senior year. The first and last time I voted in a GUSA election was our freshman year, and that was only because it was a friend of mine… and only because he put up posters that said “Vote for me… or else I’ll cry” and “Vote for me… unless your chicken!”
So, with my retroactive vote… well, you still come in last. But I think that is a victory when talking GUSA.
I'll offset that
I didn’t vote for you during your junior year but I urged everyone I knew to vote for you when you were ineligible to serve, in your crazy reverse-Lev Babiev campaign. By the way, I think you did much better the second time around; I’m sure you guys weren’t last. If that’s what GUSA reported, then either my memory is faulty or they’re crookeder than Big East refs.
Oh man
Lev Babiev… that was a funny dude – totally forgot about that…
Alternatively, this conversation is exactly why I’m happy I spent my time as off-kilter Corpie and occasional GPB’er..
Is it Saturday yet? We need a new game to talk about..
All we heard about befor the game was..
How deep Syracuse was but we looked like the deaper team..
Bench Stats
Points: GU 23 Sucks 14
Boards: GU 21 Sucks 14
Steals GU 5 Sucks 0
Assists GU 9 Sucks 4
Blocks GU 5 Sucks 4
Not bad considering our bench is all Freshman..
Depends if you count Otto.
take away otto for lubick and they are probably much closer. But we are a much deeper team this year – espcially with Hopkins looking a little better
by bunk moreland on Feb 9, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
thats true
nice to have a bench again after the last three years.
by bunk moreland on Feb 9, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Without looking at the box score
It seemed to me that Boeheim played with a much shorter bench than he usually does. Fair did play a lot, as did Waiters. But Carter-Williams was only in for a bit, and I’m not sure Southerland even saw the floor. Compare that with the amount of run that JTIII gave to the freshmen, and we saw which coach trusts his reserves the most
by rochesterhoya07 on Feb 9, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
nothing new there JB seldom plays his bench when the games stay close..
and then wonders why they don’t perform in the tourneys.
JT3 under-rated
News at 11.
Cuse delenda est
further down
“As colleges continue to shuffle their lineups — I believe my kids’ middle school also has joined the Big East, bringing the membership to 25 — the collateral damage collects.”
Not sure whether to laugh or cry.
Hollis not getting subbed in for the last play
fucking disaster. Who are we putting that on? Coach refs or Hollis himself?
High fives only on three pointers.
by TheYellofAllYells on Feb 9, 2012 1:07 PM EST reply actions
My friends who played D-1
See it a little differently. To quote 1:
“No matter how much you hate him, Boheim is not a shit for brains. He probably spotted a trend of Hoyas checking in late at the end of the game, and had a contingency plan for “under a minute and..” with the scorekeeper – which he executed perfectly. Your players and coaches were just sloppy not making sure the right guys were checked in well before that horn. But, better now than in a tournament game. Your coach will NEVER make that mistake again."
New sig tba
by PerryMcDonald'sRightCross on Feb 9, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Clearly visible "God damn!"
Awesome. I will cherish this gif for years to come.
by J-Wall's Mom's Broom on Feb 9, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
It was actually a reaction to the Hoya’s shot clock violation in the first half. And my favorite moment in the game.
Go, fight, and win.
this is true
specifically, it was the reaction after jason clark pump-faked instead of taking an open look with 1 second left on the shot clock resulting in the violation after a well-designed play.
Casually.
Quicktime to capture the screen
and Photoshop to crop, resize and export the gif. Also, here’s a real-time version.
Go, fight, and win.
Delusional nonsense
Sic transit gloria Cuse
by who will sex dikembe tonight on Feb 9, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
I hate Duke as much as the next guy
but how does Gottlied have Duke at 9 and UNC at 3 after last night’s game?
Sic transit gloria Cuse
by who will sex dikembe tonight on Feb 9, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
HDC
Looking for Thunder-based transportation?
Hard to get a good read on this team
When they show up to play against a perceived strong opponent (most recently Cuse, formerly Memphis, Alabama, Kansas, maybe Marquette), they look like a strong enough team to merit at least a top 15 ranking, maybe even top 10. But when you look at the level of play against the Rutgers and USFs of the schedule, we don’t do a good job of maintaining that high level of intensity at all.
At the moment, though, I feel good about this team. And given the week-to-week nature of the power rankings, it makes sense that they would, too.
by J-Wall's Mom's Broom on Feb 9, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Basically the story of the last 5 years
We play up to the level of strong opponents and down to the level of weak ones.
Sic transit gloria Cuse
by who will sex dikembe tonight on Feb 9, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
true
although because we are now basing everything on strong D rather than hot shooting, we’re still able to grind out results against the Providences and Rutgers of the world, even when playing to their level of suck. Certainly could have seen us dropping one of those last year.
Widespread defensive breakdown is rarer this year (Pitt), and a couple of teams will always have your number (deserved to lose at WVU, should have beaten Cincy).
Hammer of the Cuse
That Cincy game still sticks in my craw
I thought we controlled that game almost the whole time. WVU and Pitt we fell flat, but god damn we were the better team against cincy.
Last nights game is not getting a lot of notice because Duke/UNC, but other than the missed shots – I thought it was one of the most well played games I have ever seen. Both clubs played smart and looked like well prepared teams. What was the biggest lead for either side- maybe 6 points. Really wish Whitt had knocked down the second free throw.
by bunk moreland on Feb 9, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
18 lead changes
15 tied games. Ultra competitive and composed basketball (even if JB was disappointed with their rebounding). We each had one significant weakness on the night, them on the boards and us on the lay-ups. Everything else turned on momentary lapses (and some stinkiness from the zebras.)
Sadly we were denied our buzzer moment.
Hammer of the Cuse
We beat the everliving shit
Out of USF? The only really poor win we had, I’d argue, was Rutgers, and even they are tough. I am not seeing how we play up and down to our competition
by JGD on Feb 9, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
True. We're better on this account this year.
Although the close win over Alabama is not looking as good as it used to.
Sic transit gloria Cuse
by who will sex dikembe tonight on Feb 9, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
But at the time of that win
Bama was ranked in the top 15 and was riding a 40 something game win streak
by rochesterhoya07 on Feb 9, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
first half against USF
was tough going. Very glad we got our crap together in the second half like we did, but our offense early on was not good.
Hammer of the Cuse
This is true
Not sure why I included them, although didn’t we start kind of slowly against them?
by J-Wall's Mom's Broom on Feb 9, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
essentially
If we can somehow pull off wins the first 2 games in the tourney we have a shot at the title? Nice!
Take No Prisoners, especially if they wear Orange.
by hoyabballownsall on Feb 9, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
I think our issue is more related to offensive consistency
I don’t see us struggling to keep bad teams from scoring. We usually lose when we let a decent team score around 70+, and that’s because we can’t play 40 minutes of consistently good offense against decent defenses. The DePaul game is something of an outlier, but that is mainly just indicative of DePaul’s rapid volume-shooting, and we also should have one by a more comfortable margin.
We held Rutgers to 50 and USF to 45
I’m not seeing a lack of intensity
by VictorPage'sLeftEye on Feb 9, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe lack of intensity isn't the right phrase
And now that I’m looking back over our schedule with W/L and scores attached, it only seems like we really had scoring woes against Rutgers and Providence…
by J-Wall's Mom's Broom on Feb 9, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
The scoring
Has been a re-occurring issue. Scares me a little bit.
by VictorPage'sLeftEye on Feb 9, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
We as fans still have to take into consideration
of how young this team is. The roller coaster ride is expected, right now they’ve been quite steady in the top 15 rankings.
Good game.
All things in consideration, that game last night was a great chapter in a maybe(?) dying rivalry.
Two words: Otto Porter- he’s your next Jeff Green & one helluva player- although he reminds me more of Reggie Williams (from my era).
Make no mistake- losing this particular rivalry over any other, was why most SU fans hated the ACC move. I was a frosh at SU, in the stands at “Manley Field House is officially closed”, and the bile that originated on that date that will live in infamy, has never subsided.
But… reluctantly, I’ll admit that alot of the hate is now coupled with a small, teeny, tiny measure of…..aw, sh!t….OK, I’ll say it…respect! Geez, I just threw up in my mouth….
Anyway, maybe we see you in the BET, & hopefully more go rounds in the future. Peace.
This
is the best post from an SU fan I’ve ever seen. Very classy, my friend.
See you Orange convicts at MSG in a few weeks—we’ll get our revenge for last night’s loss. (And best of luck in the ACC, represent the Big East).
You deserve a Roy Hibbert elbow to the face.
by GeorgetownHoyette on Feb 9, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Good game
Good reference to Reggie Williams, too. Based on what we’ve hearing from the ’80s-era Hoyas, that seems to be a consensus pick.
I think the special thing about this rivalry is that it is/was pure basketball. There is no prestige nonsense and no ridiculous pageantry. For all of the Canada/upstate NY jokes that get thrown around here and all of the DC jabs you guys have in response, it’s not actually a geographic thing. There’s no kind of older/younger brother thing going on either – and it’s not exactly a huge culture clash. It’s just something that developed solely from great battles on the court, and I think it is unique among the great rivalries in that respect. For as much shit as we give each other, we’re each losing a small piece of our respective programs when this goes away.
And I will return your difficult-to-type compliment with one of my own. While I don’t care much about how you guys do far down the road, it would make me feel something in the neighborhood of satisfaction if you spent your first year or two in the ACC just bashing on all those softies, just so everyone gets one last reminder of how awesome this conference was at its peak.
my thoughts exactly
Let the whiner finish off his career showing the acc fools how real basketball is played, then I hope cuse does its best wake forest/ bc impression
Take No Prisoners, especially if they wear Orange.
by hoyabballownsall on Feb 9, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
well said
and also, with SU in the ACC, my handle just won’t have the same punch
by BeerBottlesToTheFaceOfSyracuseFans on Feb 9, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
This.
Cannot wait to see Syracuse and Pitt make a mess out of the ACC’s established pecking order.
by More like Awesome Freeman on Feb 9, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't BC have its best ACC seasons
Right after they jumped over there? We beat them in the NCAA in ‘07, and I don’t think they’ve been back since.
What are these assertions!?
by DHB Enterprises on Feb 9, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Being from North Carolina but schooled in Big East basketball, I just can’t get into the blood-boiling personal hate between Duke/UNC, so I happily stay neutral. What amazes me about their rivalry, though, is the undercurrent of academic/public vs. private/wealthy vs. middle-class animosity that permeates the UNC/Duke rivalry. For all of our taunts about Syracuse, I think 95% of them remain solidly in the realm of basketball — which is exactly as it should be.
Just another reason why the rivalry between the Georgetown/Cuse rivalry and the Duke/UNC rivalry (a rivalry within a rivalry! It’s Inception!) has a clear winner.
by JabrilTrawick'sInstagrams on Feb 9, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, and a follow-up with evidence because I believe in evidence
This is from a popular Daily Tar Heel column from 1990 that often gets re-circulated before the UNC/Duke game:
“I hate Duke with an infernal passion undying. I hate every leaf of every tree on that sickening campus. I hate every fake cherub Gothic piece of crap that litters the buildings like hemorrhoidal testaments to imagined superiority. When I see those Dookie boneheads shoe-polishing their faces navy blue on television, squandering their parents’ money with their fratty elitist bad sportsmanship antics and Saab stories, I want to puke all over Durham.”
To that I say — Syracuse is a big poophole. TAKE THAT, freakishly angry Carolina columnist.
by JabrilTrawick'sInstagrams on Feb 9, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Which is just ree-dic-u-lous
I have yet to ever meet a Chapel Hill grad from a poor or disadvantaged background. That is one heck of a smarmy elitist public school.
To be honest, there’s probably as little difference between a Dookie and a Heel as there is between a current Hoya and his/her GW counterpart.
Actually there is one difference
We got into Georgetown. GW kids didn’t.
But similarities explain a lot behind my hatred for Villanova’s fan base.
I will miss the rivalry as well
esp. after games like last night
Cuse delenda est
Hoyas moved up in both the ESPN and Sports Illustrated Power rankings after last night’s game.
Glad people are realizing how good we are.
Delusion diffusion!
Sic transit gloria Cuse
by who will sex dikembe tonight on Feb 9, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
I wont miss it
Sure the rivalry was great in its heyday but I’m not sure the benefits are worth the trouble.
We have enough exposure nationally already and play on television enough for alumni to watch games and for recruits to know the brand. When we go up to the Dome we get treated like garbage — by their fans and the refs — and when we play at Verizon, a third of the stadium is orange because of the alumni in DC. (No need to get into this issue further.)
Being in the BE and playing Gtown gave ‘Cuse inroads into the DMV recruiting pipeline and they’ve bilked us out of too much talent. I’m fine with letting the rivalry die if they want to leave— there’s enough natural enemies in the BE for a season anyway with ‘Nova, UCONN and hopefully St. John’s again.
by denny from yates on Feb 9, 2012 5:13 PM EST reply actions
credit to suxa
he very nearly called it – predicted a 4pt Hoyas lead at the half, and final score of 65-63 to Cuse. Sometime this summer I’d like to see him and Teddy in a battle of predictions, before Teddy poops in his shoe.
Hammer of the Cuse
Starks GUSA VP debate
Valentines Day, Feb. 14. no platform yet
Probably should be “Vote me and I shoot 50% on 3s”
Stark vs Whittington
The game was under control until the second half when they benched Starks and put in Whittington. Which Thompson has done alot recently. Whittington is a better defender but the team as a whole plays better with Starks in the game. Without him the offense is not as crisp and to much pressure is on Clark to carry the team. Like 3 stolen inbounds passes!!!
Thompson needs to watch some film of the first 10-12 games and the last 5 or 6 since he has been benching Starks. Hope he wakes up.
Saw this on CBS Sports.com
Hope is is doing better:
WASHINGTON — Georgetown assistant men’s basketball coach Kenya Hunter has been hospitalized after becoming ill following a practice.
Head coach John Thompson III said Thursday in a statement that Hunter passed out after Tuesday’s practice and is undergoing tests.
Hunter was admitted to Georgetown University Hospital and missed the trip to Syracuse for Wednesday night’s overtime loss to the Orange.
Hunter is in his fifth season as an assistant with the No. 12 Hoyas.
Never let facts get in the way of a good argument
correction
hope he is doing better
Never let facts get in the way of a good argument
Great game last night DVRed it and watched until 1 AM. Porter reminds me of Reggie Williams freshman year.. I saw him sink his first jumper as a baby.. smooooth as silk and he didn’t realize he was a freshman…the whole country was amazed by Otto last PM.
willing to Jim B's 'topsy for free..we tryn to win this shit
Otto and Reggie
Thoughts on comparison: Reggie had Otto’s maturity and coolness for a freshman, but different player he was a wing man with smooth jumper like Hollis very quick. Otto is a monster rebounder I cant recall a Freshman non-center who came close to him.
willing to perform Jim B's 'topsy for free..we tryn to win this shit
Otto reminds me a little of
Bill Martin.
New sig tba
by PerryMcDonald'sRightCross on Feb 9, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
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