Pregame Party: St. John's at Georgetown
Your Georgetown Hoyas return home hoping for a bounce-back win on Sunday against St. John's, which looks for revenge for the Hoyas' 20-point win in Madison Square Garden. For Georgetown, this game is the first of five straight in which the Hoyas likely will be favored. A sweep of those games practically could assure Georgetown a top-four conference finish and a Big East Tournament double-bye, while a few losses could drop the Hoyas back into the pack, perhaps an echo of recent regular season-closing disappointments. While a late-season fade seems less likely this year than in years gone by (barring, knock on wood, an injury or illness), few Hoya fans would deny that the season still hangs very much in the balance. But Georgetown can win only one game on Sunday, so let's get you ready for it.
It's Been So Long Since Last We Met. The Red Storm's second season under Steve Lavin has been a bit tumultuous. Last year's seniors left, a player transferred, two incoming freshman were ineligible (as was a third who subsequently became eligible), open tryouts were held, an incoming transfer transferred back out, and now Malik Stith, the team's lone returning scholarship player, has left the team for personal reasons. All this while Lavin continues to battle prostate cancer. In a sport in which some fans are cheering for little more than laundry, change has been particularly swift and dramatic at St. John's.
Last month the Hoyas and Red Storm met at MSG. Georgetown got off to a slow start, committing a number of sloppy turnovers and hoisting several heat checks as St. John's built an early eight-point lead. But the Hoyas scored 12 straight, holding the Red Storm scoreless over the next six minutes. While the Hoyas never relinquished the lead, the Red Storm didn't go down without a fight, narrowing a double-digit lead to just three with six minutes to play. But then foul trouble and a short bench got the better of St. John's, and Georgetown closed on a 21-4 run that made the final margin the largest of the game. Hollis Thompson led the Hoyas with 20 points, largely on five three-pointers, while Otto Porter had a double-double of 13 points and 10 rebounds.
Since that game, more ups and downs followed for St. John's. A double-digit defeat at South Florida was balanced by a surprising, similarly large win over West Virginia. Sometimes the twists and turns came in in the same game: St. John's built double-digit lead against Villanova, only to lose in overtime, then turned a Duke blowout into a backdoor cover. Signs that stiff competition or an extremely short bench are taking their toll arrived in the last week, when Syracuse and Cincinnati took turns laying 20-plus-point defeats on the Red Storm.
Red Storm to Know. Stith's departure from the team leaves St. John's with just six regulars, five of which are what's left of the Red Storm's heralded incoming freshman class. Two first years, guard D'Angelo Harrison (16.4 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 1.5 stl pg) and forward Moe Harkless (15.5 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 1.6 stl pg, 1.6 blk pg), continue to power the St. John's attack. Harrison is a slasher who also provides the Red Storm's lone deep threat, while Harkless crashes the boards and also steps out to hit mid-range jumpers. Up front, there's just one true post, juco transfer and First Team All-Name power forward God's Gift Achiuwa (9.7 ppg, 5.8 rpg), whose production has faded badly from 12.3 points and 7 rebounds before the new year to just 7.8 ppg and 4.9 rpg since the calendar turned. Freshman guard Phil Greene (7.7 ppg, 2.8 apg) runs the point, while two freshman wings, Sir'Dominic Pointer (6.3 ppg, 4.8 rpg) and Amir Garrett (6.1 ppg, 3.4 rpg) supply athleticism, spot scoring and, perhaps most importantly for this team, warm bodies.
When St. John's Has the Ball.
- Red Storm's strength: pushing the pace and getting to the line. By most statistical measures, the Red Storm's offense is woeful: they rank in the bottom three in the conference in offensive efficiency, effective field goal percentage, offensive rebounding percentage, and percentage of assisted baskets, all while falling below average in several more. But they aren't afraid to attack the rim, where they draw lots of fouls, leading to more than 26 free throw attempts per game. Many of these fouls are drawn in transition, as St. John's tries to force turnovers to generate easy transition points. Harrison is particularly effective getting the line, where he gets 6.6 attempts per game; Harkless and Achiuwa also take more than 4 foul shots per contest. In the teams' first game, the Hoyas sent the Red Storm to the line for 21 tries.
- Hoyas' strength: zone. As might be expected from teammates that have played together for four months, the Red Storm haven't shown the patience or passing to effectively crack a zone. In the first match-up, they endured long scoreless stretches when Georgetown went zone. Since then, the Hoya zone has continued to improve, putting the clamps for long stretches on Connecticut, South Florida, and, to a lesser degree, Syracuse. Particularly if the Hoyas can bottle up Harrison, who shot just 1 of 12 in the first meeting, the 2-3 should continue to frustrate St. John's.
- Player to watch. Harrison or Harkless, depending on your perspective. Harkless shook loose for 21 points and grabbed 10 boards, 6 offensive, during the game in MSG before fouling out. He's not exactly a perimeter threat, but still threatens the zone with his length and activity. Harrison, as mentioned above, struggled throughout the first game but is unlikely to do so again, and could get hot enough from deep to give the Hoyas problems.
When Georgetown Has the Ball.
- Hoyas' strength: offensive rebounding. St. John's ranks dead last in the conference in keeping its opponents off the offensive glass, yielding nearly 42 percent of opposing misses as second (or third, or fourth) chances. The Hoyas took those opportunities in the first game, as more Georgetown misses ended up back in Hoya hands (18) than were collected by the Red Storm (15). The freshmen were particularly opportunistic, with Greg Whittington grabbing six Hoya misses and Otto Porter five.
- Red Storm's Strength. forcing turnovers. By most metrics, the Red Storm are nearly as flawed defensively as offensively, giving up high opposing shooting percentages in addition to all those rebounds. But they're pretty decent at forcing turnovers, where they rank fifth in the conference: Harrison, Harkless, Greene, Pointer, and Garrett each average a steal or better per game. And the Red Storm nabbed 10 steals in first game against the Hoyas, using several of those turnovers to run out to an early lead. While the Hoyas committed just 2 non-steal turnovers in the game, a few more steals or unforced errors could make things difficult on Sunday.
- Player to watch: Otto Porter. Tough choice, here. Hollis Thompson had a day the first time out, torching the Red Storm with hot shooting after the half. And Henry Sims, though he shot just 1 of 5 in the opener, can expose the Johnnies' lack of depth by drawing fouls on Achiuwa. Finally, Whittington may get a chance to shine on offense, where he can pound the glass, on defense where, if the Hoyas go man, he may be called upon to check Harkless or Harrison. But Porter gets the check mark here, for his opportunistic offensive rebounding and timely scoring.
Prediction. The young Hoyas proved their mettle in front of 27,000-plus on Wednesday night, giving Syracuse all it could handle, and in turn giving themselves chances in the final minute to win the game. Can they sustain that intensity in front of a teeming crowd of 8,000-plus on Sunday? Until Harkless fouled out, the first game was much closer than the final margin suggests; the even-younger Red Storm kept within shouting distance thanks to an opportunistic defense and an off-and-on Hoya offense. In the rematch, the Hoyas will need to be sharper in their shot selection, their passing, and their defensive rotations from the tip to avoid a letdown. Georgetown 62, St. John's 53.
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i bet cuse and pitt follow suit
am ok with that. let’s get this over with and move on.
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Feb 10, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
I think they both stick around for one more year
mainly because we would have to also accelerate Boise, and at least two other football schools to replace them in time for the 2012 football season. Plus I don’t think the ACC is as desparate to kick in toward a $20 M settlement. Sets the price tag though. My guess is that its in the neighborhood of $10 to $15 M for Pitt and Cuse to leave after next year.
by bunk moreland on Feb 10, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
true
but Cuse and Pitt dont want to play football in a league without WVU next year.
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Feb 10, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
how much do we get?
and does it go to the fabled IAC
Take No Prisoners, especially if they wear Orange.
by hoyabballownsall on Feb 10, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
it is split
and i dont think it does
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Feb 10, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
interesting question
who does the money get split among?
will cuse and pit get a cut
will boise and navy get a cut
I believe it's only members who are currently in the BE and staying
So no to all of those.
But we may use some of it to allow boise or another team to move to the BE next year.
by hoyasincebirth on Feb 10, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Can they do that with two years left on contract?
And if so, that has to mean an even larger price tag, right? Not that they don’t have enough silver coins lining their pockets already…
by WarmupEwing on Feb 10, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Alternatively, they can pay us 30 pieces of silver and hang themselves.
by StPetersburgHoya on Feb 10, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. As far as I'm concerned, they can go die a fiery death.
A likely way to go in a state with such a high per capita number of meth labs.
Also, excellent placement of the Clueless reference…picture Deniz Kilicli saying this with Alicia Silverstone’s voice and see if you don’t laugh.
by Hoya Saxual on Feb 10, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
WVU not a game
we should feel any pressure about scheduling OOC in the future. If we never play them again it will be too soon.
Hammer of the Cuse
nice preview
the bar i was watching the cuse game at was showing the cincy-st. john’s game on a smaller tv that had very little dignity. at one point i looked up and saw the johnnies down by 30.
i think they’ve been playing with a big postage stamp on them for nearly a month now.
Casually.
St. John's is in total collapse
The loss of Stith; the punking by Cincy; no one has any idea when or if Lavin will go back to coaching. That on top of a slew of decommits has left this team totally demoralized.
The Johnnies kept the game close for a while at MSG. This one should be over pretty quickly if the Hoyas don’t play down to their opponent.
by Northeast Corridor on Feb 10, 2012 10:12 AM EST reply actions
And sims does not forget to unwrap gods gift
to atone for making Melo think he is a lottery pick
by bunk moreland on Feb 10, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
We've lost to worse St. John's teams in the past ...
Ones populated primarily with walk-ons and people they pulled of the street. Ones where Marcus Hatten played in God mode. And ones that looked beaten until we let them stage massive second-half comebacks.
I won’t relax until this one is in the books.
by John Coctostan on Feb 10, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Ones populated primarily with walk-ons and people they pulled of the street
ruh roh
What are these assertions!?
by DHB Enterprises on Feb 10, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
strong showing
hope we have the opportunity to deknight him on Sunday. The Duke of Cambridge may already be in the hemisphere, I’ll see if we can get him to stop by the phone booth to perform the act.
Hammer of the Cuse
Heh heh...
he said “perform the act”

After that last, unholy row,
I never, ever play, basketball now.
It joins a list of things I'll miss like fencing foils and lovely girls I'll never kiss.
by vivanloshoyas on Feb 10, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Good preview!
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by Hoyadonkulous on Feb 10, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
If hoyas play with the same focus on defense we did against Cuse
we’ll win by 30.
St. John’s will not crack 50.
by hoyasincebirth on Feb 10, 2012 12:29 PM EST reply actions
Fun fact from Kenpom ratings
The top 5 teams in Kenpom’s ratings (Ohio State, Kentucky, Kansas, Wisconsin, and Michigan state) are also the top 5 teams in adjusted defensive efficiency. Georgetown is #6.
Where we seem to be lacking is offensive efficiency — none of those 5 teams are below 34th in adjusted offense (and aside from Wisconsin @ 34th, the rest are better than 17th) whereas G’town is hanging out at 55.
As a college football fan (and a G’town alum living in Alabama), I firmly believe in the idea that defense wins championships. I’m very positive about this time, even (especially?) after the loss Wednesday night against they-who-shall-not-be-named.
I think I remember hearing in the Kenpom blog
That no NCAA champion has ever had an adjusted D ranked lower than 30. Or something. Regardless, yes, good D rating is a very good sign.
by J-Wall's Mom's Broom on Feb 10, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
I actually seem to remember reading an analysis
Either a Kenpom one or one using Kenpom stats, that showed that offense actually has the strongest correlation with NCAA success. Damn nerds and their stats messing with sports cliches! Also, everyone knows that Alabama fans love defense!
What are these assertions!?
by DHB Enterprises on Feb 10, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Johnies go down
I saw Harkness and boys in MSG last month. He will not hurt us if we keep playing D like we are. We were not playing as well then and put them away nicely. Hoyas by 15. Maybe we will start playing offense in which case it will be Hoyas by 25+
has a remarkable command of the obvious ..
"we tryn to win this shit"
Harkless is more of a
inside threat, granted Hank has length, I just hope the Hoyas DO NOT get over-confident.















