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A Post-Deadline Look at the Big East: Syracuse Orange

Syracuse's season can be best described as up and down. The Orange struggled at the beginning during a stretch in which they faced primarily cupcakes in the Carrier Dome, yet grabbed the national spotlight with a win over an overrated Michigan State squad at MSG.  Cuse started Big East play strong, but then hit a rough patch which saw them lose four straight including a glorious drubbing at the hands of Seton Hall in the Dome.  After the infamous Scoop Jardine point shaving scandal took the focus away from its play on the court and threatened to derail its season, Cuse righted its ship, finishing out the conference season strong and earning a 3 seed in the NCAA Tournament.  However, Syracuse once again failed to play to its seeding, losing in the second (third) round of the NCAA Tournament to fellow Big East foe Marquette.

Syracuse returns almost everyone off the team that finished fourth in the Big East with a 12-6 record and 27-8 overall mark. They're the preseason favorite to win the Big East.

Can the Orange live up to expectations?

Star-divide

Key Losses:

Graduating: Rick Jackson (13.1pts, 10.3rbds, 2.5blks, 2.2asts)

Early Entry: None

Transferring:None

Key Returns:

Seniors:Scoop Jardine (12.5pts, 5.9asts, 2.2rbds), Kris Joseph (14.3pts, 5.2rbds, 2.2asts)

Juniors: Brandon Triche (11.1pts, 2.9asts, 2.7rbds), Mookie Jones (3.5pts, 1.1rbds), James Southerland (4.9pts, 2.3rbds)

Sophomores: Fab Melo (2.3pts, 1.9rbds),Baye Moussa Keita (2.2pts, 3.7rbds), Dion Waiters (6.6pts, 1.6rbds), CJ Fair (6.4pts, 3.8rbds) Dashonte Riley (RS Sophomore 1.4pts, 1.5rbds as a freshman)

Incoming Recruits:

Rakeem Christmas 6'9" C #19 Scout #27 Rivals #19 ESPN

Michael Carter-Williams 6'5" SG #33 Scout #29 Rivals #20 ESPN

Trevor Cooney 6'3" SG #73 Scout NR Rivals #64 ESPN

 

Syracuse loses only one player, however, he was their best player and was certainly the key to their success. Rick Jackson was their only interior presence. He was their second leading scorer, leading rebounder, and leading shot blocker. He was even third in assists. Jackson was a huge piece to the puzzle and replacing him will not be easy. There were rumors of both Dion Waiters and Dashonte Riley transferring, but so far neither has been confirmed and are likely just part of the Cuse hype/panic machine.

Syracuse returns a solid bunch of players. I'm not the biggest fan of their team, because I think the players are overrated, but I'm going to try and stay as objective as I can. They have an experienced backcourt pair in fifth year senior Scoop Jardine and junior Brandon Triche. Kris Joseph will most likely start at the three spot. He was expected to make a huge leap to All-Star last year but he struggled at times and often disappeared. It's unclear who will start at the four and the five next year. Boehiem stubbornly started Fab Melo almost every game last year, but yanked him immediately because Melo sucked despite everyone thinking he'd dominate from day one. One strong game in the Big East Tournament has made believers out of everyone again but I'm not convinced, yet. Still I'd expect Melo to get the nod at the five. It's unclear who will start at the power forward spot held by Rick Jackson last year. He can try and go big with Keita, go small with Fair or insert Southerland or Jones at the three and slide Joseph to the four. None of these are ideal. Best case would be that Christmas is able to come in right away and play the four but this is doubtful despite his high ranking. Waiters and Riley also are available as subs off the bench.

Syracuse brings in a highly touted recruiting class. This strong class will provide additional depth to an already deep team. Of course Boehiem rarely uses this much depth preferring to stick to an eight man rotation.

  • Rakeem Christmas: The big center chose the Orange over Georgetown. The last big man to do so has had a pretty crappy career so far so hopefully the same fate befalls Christmas. Cuse fans expecting him to step in and replace Rick Jackson right away are going to be sorely disappointed. He's a very good shot blocker, but has a very limited offensive game. He did not progress offensively from his junior year the way most were hoping. He also might not have the lateral quickness to play on the wings in the back of the zone.  
  • Michael Carter-Williams: Williams is a big time scorer. He shoots the ball very well and has a decent handle. He needs to improve strength and his defense. The question is will he be able to break into the rotation with Scoop, Triche, and Waiters ahead of him?
  • Trevor Cooney: This is the only one of the three I have seen play in person. He played at the Capital Classic back in April. I was not impressed. He did not look like a Big East player. He's only a catch and shoot player and has nothing more to his game. He cannot create his own shot. And in the one game I saw him he couldn't even shoot it well. He does not posses the athleticism to defend high major guards and he has poor ball handling skills. He most likely will not see any major time on the court this year, if ever. 

Syracuse is the preseason choice to win the Big East this year. They certainly should be in the top four at the end of the year. I, however, do not like them to win the Big East crown. There are two bits of history working against them. For starters, Syracuse always does better when expectations are lower and often fails to live up to lofty expectations. Second of all, the team picked by most to finish second in the conference is Louisville and Syracuse has lost six straight games to the Cardinals and hasn't beaten them since the first year they joined the conference. If the race comes down to those two, Louisville is going to win.

I certainly do not think Syracuse is going to dominate this year. They're good; they're not great. Expect another 20+ win season but no real major success no titles and a Sweet 16 at best. Too many head cases and one dimensional players.

And a whiny coach.

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Always remember, use an open hand, never a fist

Though I don’t know why that ref needs to be taught the proper way to slap a ho.

by HoyaSmacksYa on May 26, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

if jardine plays under control and joseph shows up every game – cuse will be damn good.

drowning myself in acid now.

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on May 26, 2011 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Objectivity fail

but it’s okay, you tried. No one is expecting Christmas to replace the best interior defensive player in the Big East as a freshman. But he is a defensive presence, and he did play the zone exclusively in high school. He knows the defense, and will slide into the 4 as a defensive stopper, and possible the 5 if none of BMK/Melo/Riley make a jump to full time starter. Cooney is not expected to get play this year, but he was rated a top 100 prospect for a reason. I’ll remind you that Rautins was strictly a spot-up shooter who didn’t handle the ball at all for the first two years of his career. To say Cooney will not contribute “ever” based on one all star game is, um, a bit of a stretch at this point. Watching his videos shows him handling the ball, and moving it to where he can pull-up. And the attnetion grabbing was probably more due to the whole 18-0 start than one particular game of that start. I’ll take that kind of “struggle” to open the season every single year.

Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange

by bigbluethruandthru on May 26, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Syracuse didn't leave the state of NY to play a single game until Jan 15th when they played at Cincy

that was 17 out of those 18 games, and they promptly lost just two days later.

Casually.

by CasualHoya on May 26, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Happy to see Georgetown fans recognizing New Jersey as part of the Syracuse city state.

You watch too much ESPN, bro…They played against Michigan and GaTech in Atlantic City, which, believe it or not, is not in NY….Their first loss was to Pitt at Pitt without (arguably) their best player in Joseph and was a game they were in for most of it….Much like GTown’s finish without Wright, they were in a funk for the next several games even after KJo’s return….

But I as a realist, I do agree that the post was (mostly) objective. Cuse has lots and lots of question marks at the 4 and 5. Fab will have to take a HUGE leap forward and Christmas needs to contribute for them to be as good as everyone is saying.

I’d say good luck next year to you guys but I really wouldn’t mean it….

by D_C on May 26, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget Seton Hall

on Jan 8th. Another annexation of NY state apparently.

Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange

by bigbluethruandthru on May 28, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm glad to know

that you had nothing better to do on a Friday night than Troll our board.

You must live such an fascinating life.

by hoyasincebirth on May 28, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

You must not have kids

since you have time early Saturday morning to be on a sports blog. And no better response than to pretend we’re all still in college and going out on a Friday night is the ultimate in life’s accomplishments.

Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange

by bigbluethruandthru on May 28, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

boeheim himself said the team sucked at the beginning of the season.

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on May 26, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guys, just give it up.

We’re never going to have bigtime athletics like Syracuse

I mean seriously, PINSTRIPE “BOWL” CHAMPIONS?

by WallaceAtTheLineShooting2 on May 26, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

As compared

to the wins your football team is racking up? Have you beaten St. Katherine’s School for Wayward Girls yet, or any of your other major rivals?

Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange

by bigbluethruandthru on May 27, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude

You struggled the first couple games of the season. All the cuse fans were going crazy about how poorly you were playing to start the year. You squeeked by William and Mary and it took a major comeback to beat Detroit. Struggling is struggling. That non conference slate was pathetic and you guys could barely handle it to start the year. Yeah you won, but you can struggle and still win.

I also didn’t say he would definitely never see time just that it’s a possibility. He definitely won’t be a major player next year. And Waiters and Carter-Williams will always be ahead of him. I just have a feeling he’ll get recruited over.

Cuse currently has no one who has proven they can score in the post. Unless they can get some post up play they will disappoint.

by hoyasincebirth on May 26, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

They most certainly did struggle

I didn’t say they didn’t. It was puzzling and frustrating. But they kept winning, so at the end of the day I’ll take that result. Hindsight is awesome. Michigan St. was #8, so it’s somehow Syracuse’s fault they took a dump the rest of the year.

Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange

by bigbluethruandthru on May 28, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

In the key losses:

I thought the orange had one transferring? It’s not like I truly care, but just trying to be consistent following up on the state of BE bball!

by Big Spoon on May 27, 2011 2:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Nope

all coming back.

Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange

by bigbluethruandthru on May 27, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

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