Vee Sanford to Transfer from Georgetown
by Hire Esherick on Apr 15, 2011 3:58 PM EDT
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PrintJeff Goodman of FoxSports is reporting that sophomore Vee Sanford will transfer from Georgetown. Sanford, a 6'3'' guard originally from Lexington, KY, saw action in 27 games this past season and averaged 2.4 points, and 0.9 rebounds in 6.6 minutes of play a game.
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There have always been transfer rumors surrounding Sanford who at times looked to openly sulk while sitting on the bench. During his limited time on the court, Sanford became a fan favorite for his silky floaters and smooth handle. He also came into Georgetown with an awesome flat top. Sanford's lack of playing time has been a point of contention among Hoya fans; some insist that the guard never got a fair chance at a reoccurring spot while others argue that Sanford wasn't a Big East caliber talent. Personally, I liked watching Sanford play but I'm not smart enough to figure out if five good minutes in garbage time could equate to 30 solid minutes of competitive Big East basketball. That is the coaching staff's decision and they have plenty of more to go on than I do.
More importantly, the transfer brings Georgetown back to 13 total scholarships for the upcoming season, as they were one above the limit after the commitment of Otto Porter earlier this week.
Unfortunately, the transfer also leaves the Hoyas with a very thin backcourt consisting of senior Jason Clark, sophomore Markel Starks, redshirt freshman Aaron Bowen and incoming freshman Jabril Trawick. Next season will be very different than the '10-'11 campaign where the Hoyas started experienced three guards. A point guard now becomes the most important position for the recruiting Class of 2012, which already includes a verbal from big man Brandon Bolden. The Hoyas have recently been mentioned with guards Semaj Christon and D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera.
No word yet on where Sanford is heading but as we always end here on Casual Hoya: he was a good kid and we wish him well. [Cue applause; Roll credits]
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Going to be tough to be so light in the backcourt next season...
Well, because, you know, our stud guards got us so far this year
#feelingverysnarkytodayforsomereason
"Before the answer was a 3, I was down in Georgetown with a Hoya chick, lawyer chick....."
by brandonbowmansfootistoobig on Apr 15, 2011 4:04 PM EDT reply actions
We need all players 6'7 and under (save Benny) doing Pistol Pete dribbling drills...
all day, all night. seriously. or we’re screwed.
who is operating the shot clock at the basketball camp this summer?
Roy Hibbert was assigned it one summer and dribbled with his left hand most of the time to practice
"I don't know. I'm making this up as I go."
Honestly I like Vee's game but..
He’s not a PG, he’s a 6’3 shooting guard and small ball is done at Gtown.. More minutes for Hollis at the 2 and Trawick or Bowen, whoever emerges.. Could be worse, we weren’t going to cut down the nets next year anyway, not with our current roster..
Question
When would you expect a JTIII coached team to cut ANY nets down? I’m still waiting for a player that he recruited to reach his potential. Can someone name one player that’s reached his potential that he recruited? (while he was in a hoya uniform)
Well say what u want..
But that is the goal to win it all. There’s over 300 teams in D1, it’s not an easy goal to accomplish so basing success or failure on that alone is pretty cynical to say the least … I mean Kentucky has a great program and Calipari’s never won one. Thad Motta, Jamie Dixon, Ben Howland, Bob Huggins, Eddie Sutton, Rick Majerus, I mean the list goes on an on .. On your second point, so your saying that he gets no credit for Jeff or Roy even though he coached them every year they were at Georgetown??? I mean good for them they reached their full potential despite 3 being their coach..I get it you don’t like 3, and that’s fine..
lots of lols from you
Casually.
by CasualHoya on Apr 15, 2011 4:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I know..
It’s because I’m sitting on my computer watching people implode over a 6’3 shooting guard who averaged about 5min per game the last two seasons… Not to say he wasn’t talented but realistically how good do people think we were going to be next year with Vee?? How many more wins would we have gotten with him on the roster?? This is a young team and I’m all for our young guys getting more minutes, I think that’s the path that leads us to the most success in the future. Just my opinion
100% agree-ance
with all due respect…vee isn’t half the player jeremiah rivers was. [lights fuse walks away]
He wore the patch, a Georgetown warm-up jacket and a long chain around his neck with a photograph of Tupac Shakur dangling from it.
by Victor Page's Broomstick on Apr 15, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Dying to hear your argument on that one
Agree that him leaving is not a huge, huge loss. Liked the little bit of his game we got to see, and slightly worried by lack of depth at guard, but still mostly on yaboynyp’s team.
But worse than JEREMIAH RIVERS? Are we talking about the same Jeremiah Rivers? I know Vee might not have had that sick spin move Rivers would always throw down TEN FEET AWAY FROM HIS DEFENDER, but come on…
by J-Wall's Mom's Broom on Apr 15, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
how's this
to be clear, i’m not sugesting that rivers was the second coming of jason kidd or anything like that. i guess i just feel like vee gets a ton of praise from various parties making it sound like he’s 20 minutes of playing time away from first team all big east. vee was a last minute recruit that was added to fill the roster and see what happened. in the end, coach didn’t think he was able to bring much to the team other than being a practice player.
on rivers, the kid is a 6-5 point guard who seemed to defend well and had good athleticism. if he had the willingness to take coaching and the dedication to work, i think his physical tools were greater. perhaps rivers could have shown enough improvement to be a rotation player on a big east team. i don’t feel vee was underperforming his physical talent.
He wore the patch, a Georgetown warm-up jacket and a long chain around his neck with a photograph of Tupac Shakur dangling from it.
by Victor Page's Broomstick on Apr 15, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I'm just a Rivers hater
I suppose it depends on metrics. Vee certainly showed far greater offensive ability than rivers ever did in terms of scoring, and that with limited minutes.
In terms of overall utility, I accept that it’s possible Rivers may have been more useful, but ultimately I abstain from judgment on this one. Hard to judge Vee based on the 10 minutes or so I’ve seen him play. All I’m really saying is that I’m more sad to see Vee go than I was to hear news of Rivers’ departure, and there’s no better way to get my back up than to say Rivers is better than ANYONE on this team.
by J-Wall's Mom's Broom on Apr 16, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I've decided I like you and your opinions
#nohomo
by Coach K's kneepads on Apr 15, 2011 4:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Your opinion
Your opinion doesnt reflect what’s happened in the 8 years of this regime. JTIII hasn’t developed any of his recruits. NONE have reached their potential. Based on that, where is the confidence in your opinion coming from? Blind optimism?
Hollis might. But the jury is still out. As is with all his players.
he has had five forwards/centers drafted. more than any other coach in the big east over the same time period.
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Apr 15, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I realize you're pissed off....
but it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to throw JTIII under the bus on this one. His recruits have been solid for the most part. We just haven’t been able to duplicate the success of 2007, but the competition is fierce in our conference, let alone the tournament from all kinds of teams. Yeah, losing two years in a row to mid-majors pisses me off too, but I don’t think we can start singling out JTIII for all of the program’s ills.
Keep the faith 30yrHoyafan.
I marched on Leavey to keep the Pub open in the 90's.
by Cuse Swallows on Apr 16, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Vee is going to be a good player for some other team and I will miss him.
Shouldn’t every team have a back-up point guard? Now we are going with PG-by-committee? We saw how that worked out this year wrt the big men.
that wasn't a comment about Vee.
It was just a general concern.
V is for Vendetta
I wish Vee the best at his next destiation. But I shake me head at the notion that Coach “never gave him a chance” and “plays favorites.” JT3 has two years of assessing Vee in practice and games, clearly he has reasons for not playing Sanford more. JT3’s income and employment status are directly impacted by wins. If he thought Vee would help the team win then Vee would have played more. Simple as that.
He wore the patch, a Georgetown warm-up jacket and a long chain around his neck with a photograph of Tupac Shakur dangling from it.
by Victor Page's Broomstick on Apr 15, 2011 4:09 PM EDT reply actions
btw
v for vendeta was awesome. I will miss vee, good kid.
Take No Prisoners, especially if they wear Orange.
by hoyabballownsall on Apr 15, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't add up
" JT3 has two years of assessing Vee in practice and games, clearly he has reasons for not playing Sanford more. JT3’s income and employment status are directly impacted by wins"
With the way the last four seasons ended how can anyone have confidence in JTIII assessment skills? I want his income and employment to be based on Big East and tournament wins.
the fact he sent four players to the nba in the last four years has nothing to do with his assessment skills!
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Apr 15, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn that is a sweet fade in that picture
Who is going to replace that?
Of course best of luck to Vee. Sorry to see him go, but this was hardly surprising. Clearly something was broken between him and coach.
Can he take jerelle?
So we can add Drummond and DSR?
by Coach K's kneepads on Apr 15, 2011 4:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
this is just too many transfers
There is no way jtIII should have this many transfers for six years…vee, macklin, rivers, nikita, wattad, ray reed, egerson, octavius spann. some of these guys weren’t great but considering our lack of depth over the past couple years they would have been nice to keep. gotta be something more than just the system in my opinion. Loved Vee though, hope he does well.
I'm with you
But Hire Esherick and I just got into a heated battle about this topic, and I think he won, he also has more stamina than I do for verbal sparring.
My problem is that we have an insane amount of transfers. The argument to that is that most of those transfers aren’t Georgetown caliber players. My argument to that argument is that JT3 recruited those players, so it’s circular.
I also think for an offense that heavily relies on experience and understanding the system, this is a disconcerting trend.
i had a theory about this
admittedly, it gets less relevant as time goes on, but…
Georgetown is a program that recently returned from, essentially, irrelevancy.
With a rise to prominence come higher-level recruits. This is, hopefully, a positive feedback loop.
So, it seems like as a program gets better year-to-year, you should expect to see players being recruited over. Players that were good enough for a team before might now face competition from much more talented freshmen…and transfer as a result.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this were common for teams on a rapid upswing (as we were 2005 – 2008). However, I don’t see how this could still be the case in 2011.
"I don't know. I'm making this up as I go."
I don't have any issue with the number of transfers
It’s the nature of the beast these days and it has been in the best interest of every student athlete who has left the program.
Georgetown isn’t for everyone, just ask your buddies from Notre Dame, Nova and BC who couldn’t get in.
Casually.
by CasualHoya on Apr 15, 2011 4:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
amen. it’s not the army. if you want to leave because you desire to be elsewhere then go for it. what is JT3 supposed to do, beg kids to stay? if i walk in the dean’s ofice and ask to transfer from the MSB to SFS is that a tragedy too? should my biz profs have done more to keep me in finance?
He wore the patch, a Georgetown warm-up jacket and a long chain around his neck with a photograph of Tupac Shakur dangling from it.
by Victor Page's Broomstick on Apr 16, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
its definitely more than the system
it has to do with PT. macklin was the only player that left that would have received a potential starting job had he stayed.
transfers in (vaughn and ewing jr) > transfers out. that is what matters for a program on the rise.
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Apr 15, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You better stop
Don’t you dare shine light on the truth. I’d see if Gtwon was a powerhouse and like Duke or UNC. The continuity is being destroyed.
what continuity? please enlighten us what ray reed, cornelio guinbunda, octavious spann, tyler thorton, omar, nikita, etc would have contributed.
only major loss was macklin. who left after we signed monroe.
id take our transfers in over our transfers out anyday
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Apr 15, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
what about
how bad it looks to have all these transfers? Don’t you think that if we have a bunch of guys who didn’t like it here that it might scare away some recruits. My impression of things is that other successful programs don’t seem to have so many transfers. I don’t seem to hear a whole lot about transfers from Duke and that school “isn’t for everybody”
by verbal kent on Apr 15, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
really?
because half of the players from duke’s ’07 and ’08 classes transferred. and then they won the national championship with the players that stay and the players that took the transferred players scholarships.
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Apr 15, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
and two of those duke transfers
were mcdonald’s all americans. not players that left for american, townson, chatanooga, etc
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Apr 15, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
and
taylor king left bc he was on coke and eliot williams bc his mom was dying. obviously those years were not at all normal.
by verbal kent on Apr 15, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
i do want to hear how the conversion between octavious spann and potential 2012 recruit goes. the one when spann warns top 25 player A about going to gtown.
your statement about how bad its looks assumes so many things.
(1) it assumes that players leave because they dont like it at gtown (as opposed to wanting more pt elsewhere)
(2) it assumes these transfers talk shit about gtown (rivers was the only one to say something and it was universally laughed at)
(3) it assumes other recruits listen to transferring players that end up at less competitive programs (macklin only exception)
if nikita and omar didnt transfer, we wouldnt have had space for moses and bowen this year.
if sanford didnt transfer, we should have had space for whittington or porter.
why do people only look at the negatives of transfers and not the positives? gtown is upgrading its lineup.
it sucks vee is leaving. i liked him. but i dont think it reflects poorly on the program or the coach.
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Apr 15, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
ok
yeah i get what you’re say…I honestly wouldn’t have had a problem if it was someone else transferring. one thing is though you can’t really say for sure if some of these transfers in are upgrades considering Moses and Bowen haven’t played yet. The whole thing scares me a little bit still, especially when I hear people saying there could be “a surprising one” this year
To be honest
I think JRivers transfer hurt as well (he was a pretty good perimeter defender for a 6’5" body, even though he wasn’t the same caliber as CWright as far as passion on O) to be honest!
tears
we won’t be able to get the ball across half court. a team of all big men… hooray beer
Like West Virginia in 09-10
that team was terrible right?
by AnotherGtownJack on Apr 15, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i would love to be wrong
but next years team won’t come close to doing what that wva team accomplished. if you’re saying a team with mostly big men can be good then i agree but you need at least one reliable and genuine pg and very skilled swing men. not sure next years team will have that.
Don't think we're making moves for next year..
This class and this moves will be judged by there successes starting in the 2012-2013 season…
If we somehow sneak into the NCAA’s next year, we will exceed expectations by a long shot..IMO
silver lining
I like Vee a lot, and I’m sad to see him go. I think this was obvious for much of the year… the body language and playing time made it obvious something was wrong. I surely don’t know enough to question JTIII’s decision, but I’m disappointed regardless it worked out this way. I wish him the best.
That said, we have some silver linings here. We’ll have a lot more minutes for Jabril/Bowen now. We’ve talked a lot about Jabril, but I think Bowen could make a real impact. I’m excited to see it. And, as has also been discussed, if Hollis can smooth out his handle a bit, we’d be an enormously long team if he plays some time at the 2. Hollis and Lubick perhaps will be two of our strongest players next year — opening any minutes between at the 3 or 4 will give more run to what promises to be a very exciting freshman class.
Next year is going to be great, and the year after could be truly special.
Yep
With a very suspect handle. Would be great if he could play a 2. Otherwise, hard to see where he is going to get his minutes.
by Jason's Laptop on Apr 15, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah was going to say...
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/73007/aaron-bowen – SG
http://www.guhoyas.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/bowen_aaron00.html – F
http://rivals.yahoo.com/florida/basketball/recruiting/player-Aaron-Bowen-83318 – SF
"I don't know. I'm making this up as I go."
Hopefully he develops enough to strictly play the 2
and only get spot time at the 3.. Jesus our team is getting big long and athletic in a hurry considering Trarwick at 6’5 is the 3rd smallest guy on the team
if he wants playing time
He’ll figure out how to play the 2 this summer. (If he doesn’t… I don’t see how he cracks time at the 3… hence my delusion.)
Also
That annoying girl who shreiks will stop
by Coach K's kneepads on Apr 15, 2011 5:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A few things...
1. Vee is a shooting guard. Not a point guard. Whenever he was brought in to play the point he looked very uncomfortable.
2. The writing was on the wall for him. Trawick, Bowen, maybe Hollis sliding to the SG…his minutes were gone anyway.
3. Not the one I wished to transfer
4. I wish him the best of luck wherever he’s going.
by VictorPage'sLeftEye on Apr 15, 2011 5:14 PM EDT reply actions
might be another transfer still
If we are going after Semaj Christon, who may reclassify to 2011, then there would have to be…
right?
"I don't know. I'm making this up as I go."
Semaj is 2011
He might take a prep year and reclassify to 2012, and if so we probably would definately want him considering the rate that he is supposedly improving at… Again according to reports so take it with a grain of salt
I don't think anyone is saying Vee is a point guard...
but I do think he is the closest we have to a combo guard outside Markel and Clark. and no, I don’t think Markel is a “true” PG but he is as close to a PG that we have, so I will label him so.
The point that losing Vee, a rising junior with two years in the system, is leading people to say more substantial time for Trawick and Bowen at 2, is concerning.
I'm not sure Vee ever got the system
by AnotherGtownJack on Apr 15, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree
Always seemed to be freelancing on O, which was nice to see when it worked. Imagine III was not as impressed.
by monroesrighthand on Apr 15, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you nailed it.
We should be able to get by with 1.5 PGs for next year, considering we have no recent track record of our starting PG missing multiple BE games due to injury.
by HoyaSmacksYa on Apr 15, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's really interesting that JTIII learned Vee was leaving
and then went out and filled the schollie with 6’8’’ forward (Porter/Whittington) it suggests he finally gets that his teams have been much better with large line-ups (there were a series of posts at Hoya Prospectus about this a while ago). We’ve been playing with undersized guys at the 3, 4 or both since 2008. That should change next year- and people shouldn’t underestimate the difference that will make.
by AnotherGtownJack on Apr 15, 2011 5:18 PM EDT reply actions
backcourt of Wallace/Sapp
was plenty good with the frontcourt or Hibbert and Green
"I don't know. I'm making this up as I go."
An underated aspect of that team was Summers at the 3
instead of Freeman at the 3 and Summers at the 4.
by AnotherGtownJack on Apr 15, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
5th man was DaJuan/PE Jr
So:
7"2’
6"9’
6"9’
6"2’
6"0’
Big at 2 positions, average at 2, small at 1, as far as college goes. Recent years we’ve been smaller.
by WallaceAtTheLineShooting2 on Apr 15, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
it suggests something else in this case
agreed that i think he gets the big lineup thing, but i don’t think this is a case of Porter replacing Vee… highly doubt the roster turnover is done yet
Right. He was going to clear room for Porter one way or the other.
Had nothing to do with Vee
by Jason's Laptop on Apr 15, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Whittington probably got the Vee scholarship actually
that gets saved for Porter if III doesn’t know there is a transfer coming.
by AnotherGtownJack on Apr 15, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point..
No way they don’t have space for Porter.. That being said, Thx Mike Anderson.. good lookin out bruh!
Agreed..
I’m not worried about a press.. A press is most effective after a score.. We have 6’5 to 6’9 athletic aggressive wings we will get more stops, and finish more possessions with good defensive rebounding.. Big teams throw over the top of a press,small teams dribble through.. I’m more interested to see how other teams match up against us when we have 4 players on the court 6’7 and above, then worrying about the 5 or 6 teams that will press us each year.
I think back to 2007
In the meadowlands. Watching UNC against USC, and being worried. UNC featured about 7 or 8 guys that were 6’7-6’9 and thinking “oh shit.” We all know that was one of the greatest weekends in sports history, and now we have that lineup with the coach and system that beat it.
I can’t wait to see this team in November.
by Coach K's kneepads on Apr 15, 2011 5:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeeeeeees my brotha!!
Probably be more than a little shaky next season but after that… look out!
Starks?
Im excited for starks as a “true” point this year, with a team that is bigger but quicker (sorry Julian / Austin). When Hank is on the bench we can run with our bigs which will help the D also. I think JTIII has gotten more comfortable with taking advantage of open breaks.
Another point, Nate and Hank are going to be above average passers, having two guys like that with Jabril/ Hollywood cutting= ridiculous. Did everyone notice how Hollis was finishing at the end of the year? The offense will be clicking. Clark/ Hollywood are outside threats and you really don’t need more than 2 consistent guys when you are a team that will get majority of points from paint. Definitely will be growing pains this year but the future is extremely bright.
Take No Prisoners, especially if they wear Orange.
by hoyabballownsall on Apr 15, 2011 6:21 PM EDT reply actions
Can't wait to hold my breath
For every game next year hoping a guy who averaged 3 PTS a game last year doesnt twist an ankle so I can watch JC point
I like Vee ...............
…………and wish that he would have stayed but if he is the price to pay for the new scholarhip players that we are getting……..I’m ok with that. As noted, our issue is depth at point not at shooting guard/small forward. We may have lost a little ball handling off of the 2 spot but hard to believe that we will lose much scoring (despite Vee’s 60% efficiency from downtown this year and his sweet little floaters). He played so infrequently and at times that didn’t matter too much (for the most part) so really hard to project. Aaron Bowen and Jabril Trawick are going to have to step and play. No problem with that. Any chance that Jason Clark can go to ball handling camp this summer? I am more concerned about Markel fouling out than twisting an ankle. But isn’t it nice that we all are so comfortable with Markel??!!
Next year is going to be fun.
With paranoia,
I think we wait...
Doesn’t look like there’s any elite level PG’s left in this class, and I think that’s it for transfers. Were still being listed with Lj Rose (number 1 pg in 2012), if Semaj preps a year than he will be a hot commodity in 2012, and were in on Gabe York as well. If Gabe can develop pg skills he probably would deserve a strong look, kid is athletic as all hell and deadly from outside, and everybody already knows about Kyle Anderson.
Hopefully one of those 4 guys fall our way, because supposedly 2012 is extremely light on quality PG’s
nothing yet
gillispie was after him hard while he was at kentucky. maybe he is looking at texas a&m.
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Apr 15, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much
this transfer was expected, so this was fall back plan for JT3 to grab the bodies needed and expect for bodies to leave, these new recruits will be something special and as stated from before patience will have to be on display with this young team.
So if DSR or Samej (“James” backwards…) fit the bill, welcome aboard, and I wish Vee the best (b/c it has been documented of his lack of playing time and his attitude on the bench) so perhaps this will be fresh start to something else. I assume he’ll play closer to home (Morehead St., WKU) and grab the playing time needed.
vee speaks
No animosity toward gtown. I just feel its best 4 me2 move on.I’ve learned a lot and Its been a humbling experience .Thank u hoya nation.
http://twitter.com/#!/veechie/statuses/59057732594053120
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
Good luck to this young man!!
I have no doubt he will be successful wherever he lands..
Vee is not part of the problem! We NEED him!
I do not like this at all! Vee is not the one who needs to go! We know who that is.. and maybe the persons making decisions the last 2 frustrating years.. we know who that is too.
Yes and No
the incoming recruits and JT3 not giving him the minutes (even though he has to take some of the blame as well) made this move happen
I think I am in the hire camp
Turnover happens. Look at goodmans list, literally more than 100 players are transferring. I think the only transfers that hurt rather than helped is macklin, he is next to Monroe for two years instead of vaughn. Vee is other that could hurt, especially if Starks or JC gets hurt. And that it’s not clear where the points are coming from next year and vee showed he could score if anything. But if the sum is “vee” for the all met player if the year, i make that trade every time.
That cat is wearing a chicken suit!
I’m easily amused.
by Jason's Laptop on Apr 16, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
looks like that cat in the chicken suit was about to document its lunch
Casually.
by CasualHoya on Apr 16, 2011 11:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
looks like cuse might be losing a guard too
im more surprised by that move, waiters got some good time while scoop was riding the bench
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
I'm just wondering.....
would JT3 accept a Orange transfer or would it better to just smoke chrystal meth instead?
lol.. He would have to sit out 2 years if he..
transferred in conference.. So not likely
That could
free up and issue with the PG play but Waiters isn’t willing to wait that long just to play….
If only we could now convince Lamb to leave UCONN
to play for a school in the BMC (Big Mars Conference), I’d sleep better.
"Joy to the fishies in the deep blue sea..."
Bill & Transfers
I think the Bill Simmons Houston Rockets description (#16) is instructive on the transfer debate. He argues there’s enough total minutes for 8.5 guys who are all happy with their minutes. Similar situation for college hoops, except it’s a much tougher balance between developing/keeping players happy with their future prospect as well as today (different incentives, Pat’s obviously not going to jump to D league for more PT). The pace of JT3 offense (not to mentioned most offenses outside of VMI) makes it’s impossible to keep 13 D1 level players happy. I don’t think you WANT 13 d1 players completely happy at one time — if Vee didn’t have drive to get more PT that drove him to transfer, he probably doesn’t have drive to try and challenge starters to improve. There’s always missing in recruiting and there’s also recruit misses in expectations, shuffle is inevitable (as mentioned, unless we start losing key players).
Oh and it’d be great if Waiters jumped shit, his future terrified me.
by TheMidRangeGame on Apr 16, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions
ship*
that does not bode well for the two final papers I’m in the middle of writing now.
by TheMidRangeGame on Apr 16, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Transfers
Good luck vee but time to move on… we need one more to leave asap. and need to open up at least one more after that from the current roster or signed and commited. This weeping and nashing of teeth over vee and too many transfers must stop. heck i don’t want a guy playing who is afraid or doesn’t have the ability to go to the basket but can throw up floaters. Unfortunatly i think we will be shocked at the next transfer just be ready to move on. The next version of the Hoyas are going to play slower and will play a lot more zone and matchup defenseespecially next year. I’ll be more than satisfied with 8 wins in conference. Hope we add Upsala and St leos back on the schedule this year because if its anything like this years we will be lucky to go .500 have fun in hawaii. i’m officially waiting until 2012 to get excited.
by gone fishing on Apr 16, 2011 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
we are recruiting heavily for 2012 with only one available and 4 over the next 2 years suggests to me that we need at least one more spot for 2012 if not for this class and one for the next.and yes based upon certain comments from those around a certain player outside of the program and school i wouldnot be surprised to see a transfer that will surprise. again purely speculative on my part. certainly not the one that i would gladly drive home.
by gone fishing on Apr 16, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you really think more zone?
I think that they could press more b/c of the length added to this team, especially on the perimeter
Plus our potential depth
we could be sending waves of kids in the 6’7" to 6’9" range at teams. This could be a lot of fun to watch, and I think after a few growing pains, it will be.
by Coach K's kneepads on Apr 17, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
im hoping/praying/begging
that the way jt3 recruited this past year is a sign of how he wants to play in the future.
we were forced to play small ball last season – looks like he is going for the exact opposite now.
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Apr 17, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
There defense and rebounding was so much better when they had the bigger line-up on the floor. The offense will take care of it self with either the faster tempo or pure princeton, but I am desperate to see the defense return to the 2007 and before levels.
Never let fact get in the way of a good argument
by boubacarfor3 on Apr 17, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Again I say...
will JT3 let his boys play and add to them the trust factor of what is needed and don’t ‘over-rely’ on the system.
Everyone forgetting most important thing
Vee transferring means that a certain somebody DIDN’T transfer……..
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