Big East Expansion: Is It Over Yet?
by Hire Esherick on Dec 7, 2011 9:29 AM EST
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I am sure you have all heard the news by now: The Big East is taking over the country by adding Central Florida, Southern Methodist, and Houston in all sports, and Boise State and San Diego State as football-only members. It is also likely that Navy and possible that Air Force join the conference. Here is what I think:
Good:
- It adds big TV markets, bigger than if the Big East had just concentrated on basketball-only schools (not that that was ever an option)
- It is a big enough move to protect from future raids - mainly if the ACC goes after Connecticut and/or Rutgers
- The Big East actually ends up being a better football conference than it was before
- Orlando and Houston are much better destinations than Syracuse and Pittsburgh
- It helps Georgetown recruiting
- I get to hear stupid people mock the name "Big East" as if any of the other moves made by conferences accounted for their conference brands
Bad:
- Big East basketball suffers, a lot, and I don't give a damn about football
- The destruction of the college athletics landscape sucks
- Syracuse becomes Boston College: irrelevant
- We don't schedule Syracuse again
- Temple joins instead of Air Force
- We have annual home/home series with Villanova, St. John's and Marquette
- The new Big East contract goes to Comcast/NBC Sports. ESPN sucks and I hope all of its backroom engineering leads to its downfall
Big East might survive but never again thrive - NCAA Basketball - Sporting News
Forced into a desperate situation, the Big East has chosen to respond desperately, according to CBS Sports. On Tuesday, the website reported the league would expand to include San Diego State and Boise State in football and Central Florida, Houston and SMU in all sports. There’s nothing wrong with adding new football members. The Big East’s football brand never has been on par with the entertainment value of its competition. The Big East championship race came down to the final day and concluded with three teams tied for the title. Matt Hayes told you who was going to win the SEC back in June.
Big East basketball will never be the same | Beyond the Arc
That makes half the league either in rebuilding mode (DePaul, Providence, Seton Hall, Houston) or building mode (Rutgers, South Florida) or irrelevance (SMU, UCF). Sure, the league’ll stick around – how can it not when UConn, Georgetown, Villanova, Louisville, and Marquette, among others? – but it’ll never be the same glorious conference it once was.
Big East hoops forever changed for the worse - CBSSports.com
It's incredibly stupid. Again, look at this and tell me it makes sense. Of course it doesn't. And naturally I'm annoyed as hell by it. The country's best basketball league has been bastardized, and it's had an active hand in doing so. Essentially, the Big East has just swapped out Jim Boeheim for Donnie Jones. Bob Huggins for Matt Doherty. Jamie Dixon for James Dickey! No slight on the men of Conference USA, but that's a serious, serious downgrade in coach and program.
Realignment opens up recruiting in Big East - CBSSports.com
The new moves will certainly alter the recruiting landscape in the Big East. Current conference schools now have new avenues of recruitment, while the new ones can now include the Big East as part of the pitch. It’s tough to find a bright side for the Big East in realignment, but recruiting could be the one.
Boise State football to join Big East on Wednesday, according to reports - One Bronco Nation Under God
I appreciate that the Broncos are making every effort to move the program forward and to keep growing into one of the best football schools around. The Big East will help, no matter what shape it's in when the Broncos get there. Sure, I worry about the Big East retaining its AQ bid and scoring a big TV contract. But in a college football world where you have to keep moving to survive, I'd rather see Boise State take a leap than stand still.
Source: Big East adding Boise State, four others in 2013 - NCAA Football - SI.com
"I think what John Marinatto just did, he should get a substantial raise for what he just accomplished," Louisville coach Rick Pitino said. "Getting Boise State. Getting Houston, SMU. I think that is as good of a job for a commissioner with his back against the wall as I've seen since I've been in athletics. The teams you lost aren't as good in football as the teams you're bringing in."
Person with knowledge of league to AP: Big East adding Boise, San Diego St, Houston, SMU, UCF - The Washington Post
"The Big East has been the No. 1 conference in all of basketball, obviously, by the amount of bids," Pitino said. "Now, have you made basketball stronger? No. You’re not replacing Syracuse and Pittsburgh, so my hope is that they’ll go out there and get a Temple or a Memphis to keep basketball strong."
Boise State, 4 others to join Big East in 2013 - CBSSports.com
Boise State, San Diego State, Houston, SMU and UCF will join the Big East Conference in 2013, sources told CBSSports.com. Boise State and San Diego State will join the Big East as football-only members, while Houston, SMU and UCF will join as all-sport members. With those five schools on board, Navy is expected to join as a football-only member - possibly as soon as next week - to boost the football membership to 11 schools. The Big East hopes to add Air Force as its 12th football school - as a football-only member - but the Falcons still remain undecided. If the Big East can not get Air Force, Temple would be a likely candidate to become the Big East's 12th member.
Navy won't be joining Big East, at least for 2014 | College Football | Idaho Statesman
As the league appears set to announce its plans Wednesday to add five schools, Navy athletic director Chet Gladchuk said Tuesday night that "there were too many obstacles" to overcome for the Midshipmen to join for football only as early as 2014. Among the roadblocks, Gladchuk said, were Navy's bowl tie-ins through 2016, an existing television deal with CBS Sports that runs through the 2018 season and its game contracts with a number of schools going for several years, including one with Notre Dame though 2026.
Big East adds Boise State, Houston, UCF, SMU, San Diego State - The Early Lead - The Washington Post
Sources told CBSSports.com that, even with the new schools, the Big East will still try to make West Virginia, Syracuse and Pittsburgh honor the conference’s 27-month exit requirement and remain until June 30, 2014. John Marinatto, commissioner of the Big East, has said that the conference have more than 12 football members and 16 basketball members during the 2013 season. West Virginia and the Big East are hashing this out in court; other schools are monitoring the situation
Big East set to announce Boise State and San Diego State joining conference as football-only members - NY Daily News
The addition of the first five schools is expected to boost the Big East's chances of retaining its automatic BCS automatic qualifying status following the 2013 season although there is a growing movement to away with AQ conferences altogether in the new contract. At the current time, the league still does not have a TV deal after the 2012 season.
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between this
and the handling of Fine
espn’s got some splainin to do.
especially now
if espn had turned over the tapes in 2002, would the da have been able to prosecute fine?
what a shitty situation all around
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Dec 7, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
if espn had substantial proof of child sexual assault
but didn’t disclose it in 2002, one would think something was amiss.
If I recall correctly...
Statute of limitations had already expired when ESPN got the tapes.
by WallaceAtTheLineShooting2 on Dec 7, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
not sure that matters
If there is truth to the allegations, it is important for them to surface to prevent abuse to others, even if not for a criminal sanction. Sitting on evidence that could have a material impact on the safety of others strikes me as suspect. I continue to think that ESPN’s actions here are highly suspect.
I like that we don't have to worry about the program collapsing in the near future
But I despise the notion that anyone did anything to “save a great situation”, both in Providence and on the Hilltop. This a workable stopgap but there is no way this new lineup avoids major turnover in the next 3-4 years.
by WarmupEwing on Dec 7, 2011 10:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Espcially when
the Big-12 decides it wants championship and looks at Louisville and maybe even Cincy.
I really want Memphis over Temple. Better Bball, football is a wash.
by bunk moreland on Dec 7, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
This sucks
But I do believe Georgetown will be fine. They have some momentum, a good coach and are working towards updating those facilities. Plenty of programs can be successful without being part of the best league in the country. We’re still in the best place for recruiting in the nation and we’re still a desirable choice for recruits. Hoya Saxa and a merry fuck college football to one and all.
High fives only on three pointers.
by TheYellofAllYells on Dec 7, 2011 10:10 AM EST reply actions
I personally can't wait for NBCSports to start up
ESPN has had a stranglehold on sports coverage for a while and the quality of its product has significantly degraded because of it. This is as Adam Smith would have wanted.
by rochesterhoya07 on Dec 7, 2011 10:13 AM EST reply actions
Someone should do a thesis (MBA case study?)
Comparing how ESPN’s boneheaded desire to generate content, ruining its brand as an impartial journalistic entity, is or isn’t as destructive as the NFL’s failed attempt to invest in becoming a broadcaster (NFLN).
by HoyaSmacksYa on Dec 7, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
dont count the nfl network out yet
the channel demands the 5th highest subscriber fees – more than espn2
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Dec 7, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
I may be wrong
but I believe their net is still falling well short of the insane contract that SpikeTV (or whatever it’s called now) offered them for the Thursday night broadcast rights immediately before the league decided to take the plunge themselves.
by HoyaSmacksYa on Dec 7, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
i thought it was versus that offered them 500m a few years back
for the thursday night games.
eh, whatever.
cuse sucks
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Dec 7, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
You know what else helps recruiting?
Building successful teams that advance in the NCAA tournament. If we can make some noise in the next couple of years, and put some more kids in the league, recruiting will take care of itself.
The scary part is if we flounder, and wind up in a self-defeating loop in a mid-major conference.
uh gtown could develop into a nice rivalry
the history and prestige is there
Don't ever underestimate the heart of a champion - Rudy T
plus we had an epic game in 1984
Cuse delenda est
Ruh ...
TylerAdams0 Every time it gets cloudy and rain my ankle starts hurting real bad
He's like that chick from mean girls
Her boobs could tell when it was raining.
High fives only on three pointers.
by TheYellofAllYells on Dec 7, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
kind words from fran
What looked like a precipitous fall for the Hoyas after the graduation of Austin Freeman and Chris Wright has turned out to be one of the better coaching jobs of the early college basketball season by John Thompson III.
Good talk.
photo caption the best
“The Hoyas haven’t had any problems dealing with hostile crowds after their brawl-marred trip to China.”
Take No Prisoners, especially if they wear Orange.
by hoyabballownsall on Dec 7, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Mother-In-Law lives in Orlando
Free lodging for the road game at UCF
by VictorPage'sLeftEye on Dec 7, 2011 2:57 PM EST reply actions
love this
@_____ writes: What’s the ceiling for the young Georgetown Hoyas? In the BE and NCAA tourney (if they get in)?
Brennan: Well, first of all, this Georgetown team should absolutely make the NCAA tournament. When you play as well as the Hoyas have so far — with two wins in Maui, a win at Alabama, and only one loss (by four points to Kansas) — you set yourself up very nicely for at-large consideration provided you don’t totally slum it in conference play. I don’t think that will happen. Other than Syracuse, Connecticut, Louisville and Marquette, I’m not sure there’s another Big East team obviously better than the Hoyas. They can compete with the best in their conference this season. The expectation of a top-half Big East finish might even be selling this team short.
High fives only on three pointers.
by TheYellofAllYells on Dec 7, 2011 6:48 PM EST reply actions
Hopefully
either one of the schools can come on board with bball as well (Memphis/Temple/Xavier/Butler) to solidify the losses of Pitt and Syracuse. Or readjusting to have SDSU (all sports) for the Western Division and adding one of the above schools for the Eastern Division.
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