State Of The Hoyas: This Will Be Fun To Watch
Casual Wiseman sleepyhoya is back with this initial offering of the season:

At this same point last year, we had high hopes for the season. Georgetown had perhaps the most experienced team in the Big East, apart from maybe St. John's, a great preseason schedule and two former High School All Americans who convinced us that this was going to be the year they delivered on the promise. Somewhat bitter from losing Greg Monroe, we daily debated, with hindsight that now borders on folly, whether we were better off without him. Our blowout loss in the NCAA Tournament to Ohio was behind us, filed away as a once in a generation fluke.
More State after The Jump:
For all the expectations and promise, I look back on last year with a pretty simple memory - Georgetown wasn't that much fun to watch. Of course there were high points: the Missouri game, the eight game Big East win streak. And Chris Wright, Austin Freeman and Julian Vaughn were all players who were a credit to the program. But the reality last year was a team that displayed an uneven interest in playing defense, little energy on the boards and little commitment to running the offense the way the coach designed it. In fact, without Chris Wright it didn't appear to know how to offense was supposed to run.There was undoubtedly a lot of talent and experience and that's what wins games. But its commitment, energy and team chemistry that win championships, or at least NCAA games. I doubt this year's team will win as many games as the 2010 Hoyas. But, without a doubt, they are going to be more fun to watch. More fun for these reasons:
1) They play defense - they all play defense. They, particularly the freshman, actually look like they enjoy it and they do it in a swarming, team focused way. Big difference from last year.
2) Better team chemistry. I know it's only been a few games, but we've yet to see the seniors giving disparaging looks at the younger players.
3) Rebounding is a team effort and this team seems to understand that. We may not have a dominating big man, but we do have players with desire which is most of what rebounding is all about. Otto Porter, Jabril Trawick and even Jason Clark are going to have stats that will make them look bigger than they are.
4) Going to the bench is a source of excitement, not fear. The freshman are going to be spectacular at times and I expect dismal at other points. But they are going to play hard all the time and I expect this year we will look forward to the first TV timeout.
5) Commitment to the system. Whether you like JT III's offensive system or not, he's not likely to change it. With players committed to it, it can be a joy to watch. Just ask Jeff, Roy and Jonathan to show you some of their highlights. With no player bigger than the system, my guess is these kids will commit to it and to learning how to do it.
Yes, the Big East is falling apart around us and no one expects the Hoyas to do much this season. We'll lose our fair share of games to teams that have superior talent, size and experience. But after a couple of seasons of underachieving, especially in the tournament, it's going to be fun to watch some overachieving for a change.
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Excellent bench comment
The last few years I may have been guilty of booing the bench multiple games. It looks like the days of Nikita, Omar, benimonster, Henry Sims untalented twin, and all the others are behind us.
I’m happy to see every player on the team on the court this season.
Section 101.
by RileysDressLikeAHoyaJersey on Nov 30, 2011 8:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions
off topic but
the recent Syracuse actions on Boeheim are sickening. Boeheim said last night he was proud of his initial defense of Fine and he was smiling during last night’s press conference.
And last night Cuse gave him a standing ovation.
Disgusting. I’m so happy I’m not a member of that community.
by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Nov 30, 2011 8:36 AM EST reply actions
I think Forde's latest column is true of a lot of people
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=pf-forde_syracuse_boeheim_scandal_missteps_112911
People have spent so much time trying to discredit the accusers and defending Boeheim that they forget what the scandal is about.
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
Boeheim went all in at the start
If you rally behind your buddy at the start, you need to take equal blame at the end.
I’ll bet the farm on boeheim being fired before the end of 2011.
Section 101.
by RileysDressLikeAHoyaJersey on Nov 30, 2011 9:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Morally depraved institution
Doubt they pull the trigger.
Don’t forget about the blame Espn angle as well...
Syracuse fans are hammering everybody, while claiming the University and Jim handled this perfectly.. Weather this this was his intention or not, his initial comments serve no other purpose than to intimidate any other potential victims from come forward.
I actually agree with them about ESPN. How could they sit on a tape for 8 years?!?! If another child was assaulted during that 8 year window, the worldwide leader will have severe problems.
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Same
What the hell is that about? If it were about so many other things, I’d say “sure, maybe wait until someone opens their mouth and denies something and then hit them hard” but as you said, there’s no excuse for withholding something like this.
No one’s been pretty in this. At all.
Why so Syracuse?
Unfortunately it all comes down to money..
Espn and The local paper were afraid of getting sued.. Especially since nobody was talking at that time… Remember the accuser had gone to the police previous to involving Espn. I feel their sentiment but if you go read their board, or a article about this, they’re trying to make it all about ESPN and their reporting, what they did or didn’t do, which I think misses the point ..
Nunes hitting the Kool-Aid hard at this point
It’s an interesting suggestion, but at the same time, what everyone’s mad at Boeheim about is how he’s responded to things. If he can’t deal with the situation any other way than to make a little joke, ok, I see that they’re saying he’s human. But as Forde points out, there was also no apology for the initial reaction. Boeheim’s not asking anyone to see his humanity, which could be argued even for his initial really thoughtless comments about the victims.
Does the pressed make me think Boeheim’s scared? Yes. Does it make me think he’s sorry about what he said? No…and besides, being sorry isn’t something we should just have to read in his body language.
Why so Syracuse?
Saw Casual commented on it halfway through typing this post
I’ll deal with you later, gambling boy. ::pockets pencil::
Why so Syracuse?
Were you about to do the disappearing pencil trick?
by rochesterhoya07 on Nov 30, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
as long as I don't do it on the Jumbotron
Verizon don’t play that…literally
Why so Syracuse?
by HoyaJoker07 on Nov 30, 2011 11:42 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Does this mean you're actually going to come to games now?
by WarmupEwing on Nov 30, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Don't be ridiculous! I hate coming to games!
No, but seriously, I wish I could come to more, but I didn’t get season tix this year. I made the opener and will be trying to get single game tickets as they come along.
Why so Syracuse?
The whole nunes post is baffling
the point is not what Jim Boeheim secretly felt in his heart. Its that he, in his role as the king of Syracuse Basketball and head authority figure, viciously attacked alleged sex abuse victims.
That creates a clear intimidation message to anyone who is abused by an authority figure anywhere, you better stay silent, or else.
Completely unacceptable. He should be fired.
by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Nov 30, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
and now, as you say, he is completely unapologetic about his role
intimidating abuse victims. Forde is 100% right, JB just doesnt get it.
by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Nov 30, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
they're hung up on only one quote
yes, Boeheim’s claim that Davis is a “liar” is understandable, considering Davis claimed Boeheim saw him there and that seems dubious at best. IT’S THE QUOTE ABOUT A PLOY TO GET MONEY THAT WAS UNACCEPTABLE.
sigh.
by thejerseytornado on Nov 30, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
Any regret I had
about losing the Cuse rivalry to the ACC is long gone. Good riddance.
The problem with all those Cuse defenses
is that they assume Jiim Boeheim is your average worker on the clock that made a small mistake. That he is your next door neighbor, your friend from down the street. He is not. He is the most powerful man in Syracuse and what he says sets a precedent for what happens. Just look at all the former players that came out in support of Fine AFTER Boeheim opened his mouth.
Jim Boeheim has a greater responsibility than your average Joe in this situation. And if he doesn’t realize that, he needs to step down.
Jim Boeheim is not Sean Keeley.
And arrogantly dismissing the claims of child abuse accusers is not washing dishes.
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Enough with Syracuse, this is a Georgetown site
I particularly think this line is right on point:
With no player bigger than the system, my guess is these kids will commit to it and to learning how to do it.
I’d be surprised if JT3 even sniffs at another McD’s All-American.
Casually.
Otto was pretty close - but a unique case
Small town, non-AAU guy. I still would take a Monroe/Troy Williams/Nerlens Noel every single time if they sign on.
by bunk moreland on Nov 30, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely agree
That said, I am mighty glad we missed out on Thornton, Hairston and Nick Faust.
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
I would have to at least disagree with you
on not going after Faust (perhaps for the B-more connection), that’s just me though!
Says the guy who posts pictures of his lunch
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
there are plenty of other posts on this site about syracuse and certainly all over the internet
however there is only one Document Your Lunch and certainly only one documentyourlunch.com
Casually.
nothing recent, so I took the opportunity to comment
lest my abject disgust with yesterday’s happenings lead me to troll the Nunes blog, which I have avoided to this point.
by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Nov 30, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
December to Remember
With Alabama, Memphis again, and Louisville all coming at us this month, we will shortly find out how good or bad this year’s version is.
with hopefully Lexuses (err Lexi I guess?)
as the casual swag for winning all three
by bunk moreland on Nov 30, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
JT3 didn't seem like he was having fun last year either
I think Coach learned some pretty good lessons over the last few years, and in the process, may have emerged as the type of tough, long-term patriarch that we rarely see in college sports these days. The psyche of the teams we’ve had from 2008-2011 was so fragile it looked like JT3 was afraid to push the wrong buttons. The 2004-2008 seemed so intelligent and easily coachable that I wouldn’t have totally blamed him for thinking he could take his foot off the gas in terms of intensity and assume the players would take on much of the burden of development themselves. Maybe this is a Phil Jackson thing that works in the pros, but in big-time college programs, it’s better to be safe (re: mean) and dictate more of what goes on with the players.
So that said, the old refrain of a squad being a reflection of a coach may very much apply to how the new-look Hoyas. There’s a decent shot these guys get into a scrap in a close game this year simply because they are hungry for it. The last time you could say that about a Georgetown team was about when we thought a presidential sex scandal could derail the country.
how much of an effect do you think the china incident had on the development of this attitude
i mean there is absolutely nothing that can happen in NCAA play that will compare to what they went through over there.
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
I was initially worried it would just freak these guys out
And sort of leave them shellshocked when play got physical this year.
To this point, as awful as the incident was, it seems to have produced a pretty positive effect on the team from top to bottom. I don’t think there is a single player on the roster that you can really push around this year. Even a guy like Hollis, who is still fairly stick-like, has stepped into a new role that makes him way more confident defensively and on the glass, even if he hasn’t exactly become a bruiser.
I would not rule out Adams and/or Hopkins getting enforcer-type fouls later this season.
by WarmupEwing on Nov 30, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Frosh Nate laid a couple dudes out last year
Still waiting for his first clothesline of 2011-12.
by HoyaSmacksYa on Nov 30, 2011 11:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And let's not forget
Trawick has already drawn blood and it’s not even December yet.
Looking for Thunder-based transportation?
by jwallobjects on Nov 30, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
You're onto something here
ESPN had a short feature (during the Kansas-Hoyas game in Maui I believe) about Bill Self and Tom Izzo. I was surprised at how intense and in-your-face they were with the players during practice. I still don’t think that’s JTIII’s style, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s much less gentle with this crew than in the past. Add some tough “love” from Jeff and Greg during Kenner League and I think our guys are getting thicker skin.
After that last, unholy row,
I never, ever play, basketball now.
It joins a list of things I'll miss like fencing foils and lovely girls I'll never kiss.
by vivanloshoyas on Nov 30, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
The Kansas and Memphis games...
have given me hope that while they will lose their share of games, they have the potential to win big games. That alone will keep me interested this season.
also the anger and ruthlessness displayed during cupcake games
give me hope that they’ll be better suited to both avoid trap games, and overcome underdogs in the tournament. (Cue season-ending loss to the NJIT Ninjas…)
KBE
Agree With Everything Except.........
I think this team will actually win more games than last year’s team and go to the Tournament. Call me delusional but we have the talent and the depth (and some experience) to have a really good year. While we were hurt last year by Wright’s injury, it was also obvious that both Freeman and Vaughn had health or fatigue issues that made them far less effective in the last third of the year. They both faded in the previous year as well. We will have the energy and bodies to go full on all year and I think it will make a big difference. Otto Porter is, in my view, substantially ahead of where Jeff Green was during his Freshman year and is already becoming a go to guy. And, a team that plays great defense can stay in almost any game creating opportunities for our talent and energy to win out.
With paranoia,
Call you delusional
I will. I’ll be happy if I’m eating crow come March, though.
by J-Wall's Mom's Broom on Nov 30, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think the team will win more games
because the Big East is weaker this year. But I don’t understand all the talk about a great defensive team. We’re not close to being there yet. And we still can’t rebound the ball all that well. As much as I love the improvement in Henry’s offensive game, he still plays soft on the defensive end and doesn’t position his body well to grab boards. Unless he shores that up, we are a bubble team (with the potential to make a nice run).
by Jason's Laptop on Nov 30, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
They're not great yet.
But statistically we are already better than last years team. Currently we’re 47th last year we were 58th.
I think what people are seeing is the effort we’re putting forth on defense and with a young team they’re going to improve defensively.
by hoyasincebirth on Dec 1, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I think why we as a fan base are so sour on last year is..
Defense is all about effort and pride, so to see our team roll over so many times last year was frustrating.. Somedays your shot will be butterz, somedays it will be broke, but your effort on D should be there everyday. If you value winning

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