Sleeping With The Enemy: The Cardinals of Louisville
Georgetown. Louisville. JT3. Pitino. ESPN. Big Monday. As the Hoyas take its next step towards the top of the Big East standings, we here at THE GLOBAL PHENOMENON are bringing you everything you need to know about Georgetown's next opponent. Special thanks to my bros over at Card Chronicle, the baddest Louisville blog on the internet, for providing the answers to our always intrguing questions. Card Chronicle, these mint juleps are for you. By the way, feel free to click HERE for some casual Louisville upside in case your boss isn't around and/or you have no qualms about getting fired.
CH: Tell us about the new Yum Center. Have you guys been to any games? How does the atmosphere compare to the old stadium? Have you come up with a catchy nickname for it yet?
We gave the best answer to this question from the Villinova blog: "Freedom Hall was the cute girl with the great family who made being in a serious relationship unbelievably easy. The Yum Center is unfathomably hot and your friends are all very impressed, but she shops a bit too much and you have the sneaking suspicion that being married to her might not be as sexy as it appears to the outside world. Still, the benefits of the relationship are pretty self-explanatory."
The only thing I would add is that there was a movement to call it "The Bucket" but it never really took off. Mostly it is still "the arena" or "the new arena" or just "the downtown arena." Since we wrote that response, we've had two "Miracle on Main" comeback wins that are beginning to populate the all-time memorable games list, so you can overlook the $10 tacos, which is only a slight exaggeration.
More fun with fun people after The Jump:
As you mentioned, Louisville has had some pretty epic comebacks in the last few weeks, battling back down 18 with less than six minutes to go against Marquette and pulling one out against West Virginia last week. Do you see it as a positive that this team is very poised no matter the situation or a negative that they dig themselves into such difficult holes?
Obviously you'd rather not have to come back from double digits every game, especially in the NCAA tournament. We have a running joke on the blog that we'd rather be down five points at half than up five points, mainly because we have won a suspiciously large number of games when down exactly five points at half and come back and win. We also seem to lose games when we get a lead, like last year against both Nova at Freedom Hall and Cincinnati in the Big East tournament. But there is some truth to this: Pitino doesn't seem to make adjustments during the game, but seems to really do well adjusting in the locker room. And one of our biggest advantages is conditioning, so that seems to play a factor in these games. Finally, both Marquette and UConn spent the last 5 minutes of the game using the whole shot clock and taking a low percentage shot, which was a dumb strategy.
Louisville has a tough stretch coming, with 5 of the next 9 games against ranked opponents. What record in those 9 games would you be happy with?
9-0 or Pitino should be fired. Seriously though, I tend to be generally pessimistic (a clear self-defense mechanism) so I'm just hoping we .500 over these last 10 games (starting with Georgetown). 11-7 in the Big East with our non-conference resume is enough to get us a seed in the 5-8 range depending on which 5 we win. The way this season has been, beating the Syracuse, Pitt and Georgetown level teams but losing to Cincinnati, Providence and Rutgers level is just as likely as the other way around. Going 4-6 is the minimum to not have to worry about a spot in the tournament, and with games against Rutgers, DePaul and Providence at home on senior night, I think this is very doable.
We know about Preston Knowles, who seems to have been at Louisville for the better part of a decade, but who else on this team is going to hurt the Hoyas on Monday?
It really could be anyone. That's the beauty about this team, and the thing that drives us all nuts. Everyone, even Knowles, is capable of disappearing and being the superstar every game. I haven't watched Georgetown much this season so I don't know what the weakness is, but I'm assuming half court defense is not one of them. So I will tell you our consistent strengths: transition offense, and, uh....well pretty much just scoring in transition when given the opportunity. The only offensive play we run is the pick-and-roll, so if you can stop that, you don't have to worry about anyone. Terrance Jennings has been playing really well the last couple games, and obviously Peyton Siva had a career performance against UConn and the game-winner against West Virginia. If I were a Georgetown fan, I would worry most that Knowles and one of Kyle Kuric, Mike Marra or Chris Smith get hot from 3, and Siva has no trouble penetrating in the half court.
The Big East is in disarray right now, with Syracuse and Villanova losing to Seton Hall and Providence in the last week. Who emerges as the top four teams in the conference when all is said and done?
Pitt seems like they are in the driver's seat, but after that it is really hard to say. Notre Dame has a very favorable last 9 games and could easily go 6-3, which would put them at 12-6. UConn also should win the majority of their last 10. Nova could also easily go 8-2 over their last 10 for a 13-5 final record. So I think those 4 end up on top with the Cards, Hoyas, Marquette and Syracuse in some order in the 5-8 spots.
Has there been a change in how the fanbase treats Rick Pitino since the offseason scandal? Do you think it has affected his coaching at all?
Not really.
Complete this sentence: If Louisville gets to [insert round] in the NCAA Tournament, this season will be a success.
I think typed and erased "Sweet 16" and "2nd round" about 10 times each. Pitino has never lost a Sweet 16 game in his career, so deep down, if we can get the right match-ups in the first two rounds....but that's crazy talk. I guess the easy answer is: this isn't a Elite 8/Final Four year. But ask me again after the next 5 games, although at that point no one will care and I don't think you'll publish an updated Q&A. (Casual note: You are correct, we won't.)
Both Earl Clark and Terrence Williams have really struggled in the NBA after being top 15 picks. Did you expect that to happen? Are their careers salvageable?
I don't really follow the NBA, so my thoughts should be taken with the appropriate amount of salt, but I never really expected Earl to do well in the pros. Earl was one of the most frustrating Cardinal players of all time because he had so much talent but never seemed to care enough to really harness it. Sure he basically put up a double-double his third and final season in red, but most of those games you'd be mad at him most of the time then look up and he had 19 and 11 and you were like, the hell? Anyway, he was never a consistent 3-point shooter and isn't big enough and never liked to bang down low, so I'm not sure where he fits in an NBA offense.
But T-Will had such a promising rookie season, I was expecting him to really turn some heads in his second year. I guess he clashed with Avery Johnson, but I'm surprised he was traded to Houston and then made to sit on the bench for the last few weeks. I just think T-Will needs to get more minutes and he could have a really good career.
In your mind, is this Rick Pitino's last stop in his career? How much longer do you expect him to stay at the helm?
He keeps saying this is his last job, but he also said he'd never coach in a downtown arena (which no one in the media has called him on) so who knows. He has two very good classes committed in 2011 and 2012, so that should help keep him here. I also think Calipari's success at UK and the potential NBA eligibility rule make things tough for him to go. At his age and at this point in his career, I don't think he goes back to the NBA and I don't think there's a "better" college basketball job. If UCLA fires Howland and then came calling, that would be the type of history + need for a turnaround + cool location that would be hard for him to pass up. Not sure if that would outweigh the perception of him "running from Calipari", but I think UCLA is my biggest worry.
Is any other team besides Kentucky considered a rival for Louisville? Anyone in the Big East?
We have written extensively on this subject (UK/UL rivalry analysis) for those who are bored at work or on Harbin 8 (Georgetown campus reference!), but the UK rivalry is more intense than anything Georgetown has or that we could develop with another Big East team. Cincinnati is a historical rival but there's not that day to day interaction that leads to hatred. Games with West Virginia and Marquette always seem to bring out the best in both teams. There are lots of mini-conference rivalries but nothing anywhere approaches UK.
How do you see this game playing out? What is the final score?
I don't think I've watched more than 30 seconds of Hoya basketball this season, so I'm basing this entirely off last year's game and this season's Georgetown scores I literally just looked at. Freeman and Wright always seem to kill us, but it seems like depth is an issue. Coming off a double-OT, intense win at UConn, I can see us coming out flat and getting down, but unlike the last few games, Georgetown's defense and maturity won't let us back in it. Final score: Georgetown 68 - 58 Louisville.
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Kentucky – Louisville > Gtown – Cuse?
I disagree, they arent even in the same conference.
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
I think it's a different kind of rivalry.
Kentucky – Louisville seems more like one of those SEC things with historical roots in a state’s culture dating back to the Civil War or something else that has absolutely no relevance to any sport (“them folks ain’t right on that side o’ the river”). Maybe there’s some competition for recruits but that wouldn’t set it apart from any other local rivalry.
GU – Cuse is more of a pure sports rivalry. The whole hating on the other school’s culture has evolved mostly from an intense on-court rivalry and Syracuse’s innate inferiority complex+GU’s well-earned swagger. Getting that kind of top-level competition every year was one of the primary reasons for the Big East’s creation in the first place.
by WarmupEwing on Jan 31, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Agree.
Being born and bred in Lexington, KY, I can completely back this up. The UK-UofL rivalry goes so far beyond basketball, football, or even the campuses themselves. This rivalry exists between virtually everything Lexington/Central Kentucky and everything Louisville. Country clubs, private high schools, select soccer teams, swim teams, you name it. There is no better way to rile up a horse racing fan from anywhere near Lexington (like myself) than to say Churchill Downs is the best horse track. I can go on and on with this list, but suffice to say that until Georgetown and Cuse fans grow up their entire lives with everything you do being in some way related to a rivalry between these two schools, the Cuse-GU rivalry will not come close to that of Kentucky.
CyberSalsaKing
I will beat my child with oranges until he learns to hate them.
Does that count?
Why so Syracuse?
by HoyaJoker07 on Jan 31, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
I mean, my parents covered me in bird food and set cardinals on me
so I don’t see why it can’t work for you too.
CyberSalsaKing
Less Learned
The kids do not get to stay with Uncle Wade or Uncle Joker.
by RoyIsTheTallest on Jan 31, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
I really wish I had a T-shirt
With an Orange on it, covered by a “Do Not” red circle with a slash through it.
And the phrase “I’d rather have scurvy.”
Why so Syracuse?
^^ Solid.
Good work, Joker.
Does anyone know if Manley Field House is still open?
by January 21, 2006 on Jan 31, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he was referring to some sort of rivalry between L'ville and G'town
Only thing I can think of.
by Hoya Annoya on Jan 31, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
No, I think he means what he said
Lville and UKy are a deep at-each-other-throat’s rivalry that transcends anything else going on in the Big East — the kind of hatred that binds Bama-Auburn, USC-Clemson, Berkeley-Stanford, UCLA-USC, etc.
When the day comes that you can ask a student picked at random “Who is GU’s biggest rival” and you don’t get 4 different answers, then we’ll have a rival on par with those rivalries.
by HoyaSmacksYa on Jan 31, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Kentucky people...
are nuts. I once had oppossing counsel in a matter use Patrick Patterson’s 3 point percentage in a memo supporting an appeal. Nobody involved, judge included, thought this the least bit odd. I got some odd looks when I noticed that a.) the statistics counsel used were not correct; and b.) actually hurt his argument. So until a ‘Cuse fan or G’Town fan starts doing that, I’ll take the Kentucky – ’Ville matchup as a bit more intense.
Opulence, I has it.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 31, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
That's more of a campus culture thing
I think if you got varying answers among GU undergrads you would just be finding out who was into college bball and who was indifferent. While that probably does make GU-Syracuse"less" of a rivalry in the university vs. university sense, it also just reflects the fact that Georgetown has less of a sports “fan” culture than some other schools. Lville-Kentucky certainly has bball as a primary battleground but it goes beyond that. The GU-Syracuse thing has grown almost exclusively out of competition in one sport (though I know it might be a thing for the lacrosse team too).
If you compared the history of the on-court rivalries and the intensity of the actual rooting fanbases I think it’s closer, at least to the extent that I could “understand” the Lville-Kentucky hatred without my mind being blown. In terms of being a college bball rivalry, I think the two series’ are close enough to make it tough to determine which one is “better”.
by WarmupEwing on Jan 31, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Good point.
Does anyone know if Manley Field House is still open?
by January 21, 2006 on Jan 31, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Look at the question asked
This was the question:
Is any other team besides Kentucky considered a rival for Louisville? Anyone in the Big East?
And this was (part of) the answer:
but the UK rivalry is more intense than anything Georgetown has or that we could develop with another Big East team
I agree it’s strangely worded, but why — in the middle of an answer about L’ville’s potential BE rivals — would he compare UL-UK to GU-SU? His answer is best understood as a straightforward response to a simple question (who is YOUR biggest rival?); it’s not a potentially inflammatory ours-is-better-than-yours comment that would be out of place in the otherwise civil exchange with CH.
Really, who knows whether, on the whole, UL hates UK more than GU hates SU? In-conference vs. not; varying levels of parity; totally different campus cultures; private vs. public schools; etc, etc. Close call, but reasonable minds can differ.
Does anyone know if Manley Field House is still open?
by January 21, 2006 on Jan 31, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
it seems pretty clear
that he really doesn’t pay much attention to georgetown basketball, so i would assume that also applies to the GU-SUrivalry.
by HookerInTheLane on Jan 31, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
UK-Louisville is big
Once, SI wanted to do a college basketball preview issue and wanted both teams standing at the state capitol.
Kentucky refused. Louisville needled them afterwards.
THAT’S a rivalry.
Let me explain a bit
First, I’ll say that I totally understand that the GT-SU basketball rivalry is fairly intense. I’ve had a GT educated professor tell me how stupid SU players are and how jealous they are that they can’t get admitted it GT.
What makes the the Louisville-Kentucky rivalry the strongest basketball rivalry in the country is the fact that the schools are separated by about 100 miles of interstate. If that weren’t enough, almost the entire state of Kentucky cheers for Kentucky, whether or not they have any relation to the school. Then, in the mid-western part of the state you have the most populated, most economically successful part of the state cheering on the Cards. The rivalry, in some senses, is an urban-rural one. It’s got history detail relating back to civil rights (Louisville accepted black player before Adolf Rupp would consider it). Fans work, in large numbers (especially within the city of Louisville) with each other and win year round bragging rights for basketball only once a year. Mike Rutherford tells it best if you’re interested in further reading: http://www.cardchronicle.com/2010/12/30/1903409/why-louisville-kentucky-is-college-basketballs-best-rivalry
by REALISTICCARDSFAN on Jan 31, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
I'll buy that UK-UL is that big of a rivalry
But please, please, please, don’t call Georgetown “GT.”
What are these assertions!?
by DHB Enterprises on Jan 31, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh. Noes.
The only offensive play we run is the pick-and-roll, so if you can stop that, you don’t have to worry about anyone.
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thought the same thing....
Guess it’s time for JuJu to shut down Siva at the top of the key
#punchingmyselfinthefacerepeatedly
"Before the answer was a 3, I was down in Georgetown with a Hoya chick, lawyer chick....."
by brandonbowmansfootistoobig on Jan 31, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
hahaha true
I probably need a new handle, but I'm too lazy to think of one
by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Jan 31, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Does Aaron Bowen's shoulder prevent him from tackling anyone setting a pick?
Seems like a legitimate strategy to me.
by Hoya Annoya on Jan 31, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Casual Chant o' the game
I tried to make this a poll, but the interwebs confounded me. I’d first like to recommend that the home crowd institute the name chanting a la hoyajoker’s post somewhere in these comments . Love that.
Anyway, rec the chant you most want added for Louisville. And reply here if you have a good one. Enough casualites in young alum + student section could get this done. Future casual chants will get preview posts with polls once I learn how to post correctly.
by thejerseytornado on Jan 31, 2011 11:07 AM EST reply actions
FIFTEEN SECONDS! FIFTEEN SECONDS! etc. (start at :15 secs left in shot clock for L'ville)
by thejerseytornado on Jan 31, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
keep it classy san diego
I think a single shout at 15 second is enough
The others are too obvious and Syracuse.
Keep it classy tonight, Hoya fans.
Andy Rautins has AIDS
by BoatsNHoes on Jan 31, 2011 12:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
voice of morality
in the casual cesspool
Blip
by JahidiLikesPie on Jan 31, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Perfect timing
I like the one shout of “FIFTEEN SECONDS!” at 15 left on the clock, mostly because the 15-second mark is typically when the students switch from “DE-FENSE!” to the big “O”. And the same applies for Pitino, apparently, so I think it’s fitting.
by J-Wall's Mom's Broom on Jan 31, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I will say....
I love the “keep it classy” post from the guy called “boatsnhoes” and whose signature says that Andy Rautins has AIDS. Not denouncing it, I just think it’s hilarious. I do agree with you b ‘n’ h….he deserves some ribbing, but let’s not act like the animals up at the North Pole.
"Before the answer was a 3, I was down in Georgetown with a Hoya chick, lawyer chick....."
by brandonbowmansfootistoobig on Jan 31, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Irony (hipocrisy) not lost on me...
But B&H is a family name and the sig is a factual statement.
Also class standards do not apply for Scuse
Andy Rautins has AIDS
vegas has us 5 pt favorites,
but I havent watched a single louisville game this year, record looks good. How is everyone feeling about this game?
wow 5 points, thats tough....
kinda feeling Louisville and the points on that one
I probably need a new handle, but I'm too lazy to think of one
by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Jan 31, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Hoyajoker's list of player names + chants
by thejerseytornado on Jan 31, 2011 11:10 AM EST reply actions
Really digging on calling Nate "Thundersnow"
Whose brainchild was that? Trying to figure out how to chant it. Thundercats is feeling close, but can’t make it work.
Why so Syracuse?
You have to ask?
I pretty much just scream it without any kind of chant – I think I freaked out an entire section of nova fans when he dunked on saturday. I’d be interested to hear it set to some kind of rhythm.
by WarmupEwing on Jan 31, 2011 2:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh my god
What if we did it like “thunderstruck” by AC/DC.
The idea of the entirety of the student/alumni sections going “ooooooooooooh THUNDAH! oooooooooooh THUNDAH!”
Why so Syracuse?
was actually thinking about that at work this morning
Great idea. Also after he dunks we can have someone yell ’you’ve been…’ and then everyone else screaming: “THUNDERSTRUCK”
Going to be a fun few years with this guy.
by WarmupEwing on Jan 31, 2011 2:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
too hard to get organized chant after a dunk
i like the “oooooooooooooooooh THUNDAH” as a possible chant for after any play in which Lubick destroys someone.
Or anytime he gets subbed in.
by thejerseytornado on Jan 31, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Will need to build the brand, too.
Next sign will be “They named Thundersnow after Nate Lubick”
Why so Syracuse?
Also
This weirdly coincides with plans I already had to spell Jason with the AC/DC lightning bolt for the “s” followed by “Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap”
I think it was Robert Frost who once said “One could do worse than be a quoter of AC/DC”
Why so Syracuse?
Does it show?
It’s all compensation for the fact that I might not be able to make the game tonight due to work.
And no, I couldn’t keep this from happening by not posting all day. Ball’s not in my court yet.
Why so Syracuse?
No one should ever be bored on Harbin 8
All you need to do is go up on level and you are in the penthouse with porn stars and meth labs and Club 901.
"That is crap. It is unfair."
by Iwillpaytheway!! on Jan 31, 2011 11:30 AM EST reply actions
Everything went downhill after Harbin 9 stopped being an all-male den of sodomy, didn't it?
By the way, that there is a great SB screen name.
by HoyaSmacksYa on Jan 31, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
It went all down hill once I left
All Male den of sodomy does perfectly describe this blog.
SOMEONE PLEASE TAKE THAT!!!!
"That is crap. It is unfair."
by Iwillpaytheway!! on Jan 31, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
I was on Harbin 4
(I think it was 4?) many moons ago when it was the only co-ed dorm floor in the school. Not quite a den of sodomy since we had a priest living on the floor who was put there to chaperone. But he was at least kind (scared?) enough to lock his door and ignore us from Thursday – Sunday, so eternal props to Father J.
Is there much co-ed dorming today (just curious how the “experiment” turned out)?
"Joy to the fishies in the deep blue sea..."
by goodnokaull on Jan 31, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
harbin is now all co-ed except for one all-girls floor
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Jan 31, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Great
glad to know that we didn’t ruin it for everyone.
"Joy to the fishies in the deep blue sea..."
by goodnokaull on Jan 31, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
gtown tossing around idea of co-ed roommate pairings
by Hire Esherick on Jan 31, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
that would have knocked the ol’ GPA down a few notches.
Next you’ll be telling me that a black man is running for President.
"Joy to the fishies in the deep blue sea..."
by goodnokaull on Jan 31, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
just a bad idea
i’m a dude and I didnt need some chick telling me to be more clean, or put something on aside from boxers on saturdays
What??
They won’t sell condoms on campus but they’ll consider co-ed roommates. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
You deserve a Roy Hibbert elbow to the face.
by GeorgetownHoyette on Jan 31, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
I think there's a big difference between
GUSA discussing something, and the University doing it. At least I hope so, given the amount of thought people put into electing GUSA members.
What are these assertions!?
by DHB Enterprises on Jan 31, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Don't blame me
I voted CasualHoya/LordNick
by HoyaSmacksYa on Jan 31, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
I was on Harbin 6
I think it was 6, and the floor was divided between guys and girls. I was in the North cluster facing ICC/old baseball field, which was all guys, but the rest of the floor were chicks.
by Lord Humongous on Jan 31, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
EX-HARBIN 9 CHECKING IN
penthouse studs baby
by DownTheHallFromHollis on Jan 31, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Pick and roll is all they have?
I don’t believe it. Against a team that just went 2 OT’s and is still on the road, I’d love to see full court press the entire first half. When they start to step on each other’s tongues, Austin Freeman will smile, steal, and slam.
Greatest CW quote ever.
I forgive his lack of score on these grounds:
We all have roles, and Austin’s role is to score 30 points in games like this.
Does anyone know if Manley Field House is still open?
by January 21, 2006 on Jan 31, 2011 12:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
^^ Also a good one
We wanted to concentrate on getting the ball to Austin. . . . It’s stupid not to give him the ball
And to complete the set:
On the defensive end, we were all focused on guarding penetration and containing our guys and forcing them into tough shots. On offense, it was get the ball to Austin.
Does anyone know if Manley Field House is still open?
by January 21, 2006 on Jan 31, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Glockner has us as a 2 seed
Much more nervous about tonight than I was before reading that.
Manley Field House is officially closed!
by HoyaParanoia85 on Jan 31, 2011 12:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It's alright . . .
. . . Lunardi has us as a SIX seed, so it all evens out.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
Does anyone know if Manley Field House is still open?
by January 21, 2006 on Jan 31, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Fun combo
Raftery legally (and hilariously) insane. The Warren Zevon of sports commentators.
Why so Syracuse?
by HoyaJoker07 on Jan 31, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
From what I've seen of L'Ville
The big to key to containing them is staying in front of their guards, stopping the dribble drive penetration. Especially Peyton Siva, he gets to his spots with ease.
"We wanted to concentrate on getting the ball to Austin," Georgetown point guard Chris Wright said. "It's stupid not to give him the ball."
by Chicken Finger Thursdays on Jan 31, 2011 3:11 PM EST reply actions

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