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Apocalypse Now: Rakeem Christmas to Syracuse

I hate to be the bearer of bad news on this beautiful Friday before you are about to document your lunches, but it appears that prized recruit Rakeem Christmas will be heading to Syracuse.

NBE Basketball is reporting:

According to a source with knowledge of his recruitment, elite shot-blocking big man Rakeem Christmas will verbally commit to Syracuse in the near future. The decision is expected to be announced this weekend at the Nike Global Challenge in Portland where Christmas is participating for the USA.

No other way to slice it other than saying this is REALLY BAD NEWS for a Georgetown program still without a recruit in the 2011 class and getting KILLED by its Big East rivals on the recruiting trail.

Great day to be a Georgetown fan.

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Cue the Hitler Video Spoof

This freaking sucks.

Why so Syracuse?

by HoyaJoker07 on Aug 6, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

why the fuck did we let David Cox go? FUCK

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 6, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

It's fine

We clearly have no use for an elite, shot-blocking big man anyway.

KILL ME NOW

Casually.

by CasualHoya on Aug 6, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

what? when he decides to join X-mas at Cuse just like LeBron/Bosh/Wade in Miami?

WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS GUY SLIPPING THROUGH GEORGETOWN’S FINGERS AND LANDING AT FUCKING SYRACUSE?

Casually.

by CasualHoya on Aug 6, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

nooooooooooo

I can have oodles of charm when I want to.

by aja32 on Aug 6, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

There will be no picture of my lunch...

…this has made me lose my appetite.

Hey! Hey! Hoya Saxa!

by Cubbies and Hoyas on Aug 6, 2010 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m crossing over to the cynical side.

FUCK MY LIFE!

by hoyasincebirth on Aug 6, 2010 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Umm....

He’s going to Cuse. Did you mean you wish him better?

They'll like us when we win!
- Toby Ziegler

by tashoya on Aug 6, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope he’s a tremendous flop and never makes it to the NBA.

by hoyasincebirth on Aug 6, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

how can this be twisted by JT3 apologists?

Fact. We haven’t landed a top 50 recruit since Greg Monroe. Funny that was the year after the Final Four. Since then we’ve lost in the 2nd round of the NCAA, 1st round NIT, 1st round NCAA.

But tournament success shouldn’t be the mark of a successful program. I assume recruiting shouldn’t be the mark of a successful program too.

I'm not actually Jeff Green's Dad

by JGD on Aug 6, 2010 11:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

fans in Syracuse barely even know who this guy is..

we’ve been recruiting him forever. wtf

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 6, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's pandemonium.

We’re expecting Syracuse people to know shit now? WTF?

They'll like us when we win!
- Toby Ziegler

by tashoya on Aug 6, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

For doing the leg work. ’Cuse’ll take over from here…

by Ceebs on Aug 6, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great joke, bro.

This is not Kentucky we’re talking about here.

by Ceebs on Aug 6, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

understood.....

Kentucky is an upgrade compared to Canada South……

Is it snowing there yet? or just overcast?

by MerlinWilson'sSister on Aug 6, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't know.

I’m actually down here with you fools in NoVa

But I’d say it’s absolutely gorgeous there right now. Unlike DC, ’Cuse is not located on a swamp.

by Ceebs on Aug 6, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beautiful

farm and lake country. Haters gonna hate. You guys’ll eventually get a ‘11 recruit. Don’t worry.

by Ceebs on Aug 6, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

terrific

if Rak ever has a hankering to go milk some cows…

if he wants to ever see his friends and family? or a non-uggo?….. then not so much

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 6, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh

The drive from Philly is negligibly different so I bet that’s not a factor. You don’t have much a leg to stand on, btw. DC is not great for women either.

by Ceebs on Aug 6, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude its 250 miles

only in cow milking land would that be considered negligible

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 6, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

School visit

I’m from Philly and I drove the 4+ hours to Cornell to check it out. When we had left Cornell my Dad asked me if I wanted to see Syracuse:

Me: Is it on the way home?
Dad: No it’s another hour away
Me: Well we’re already in the middle of nowhere I guess it can’t get much worse.
Dad: Yes it can. Let’s go home.

Chose Georgetown a month later. I hope Rakeem doesn’t freeze to death or die of boredom.

by Moose#10 on Aug 8, 2010 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, okay

I’m that awful Syracuse fan who came over to see what you all were saying about this…

But the Devo caption/picture just made my day. Thanks.

Other people look, Andy Rautins can SEE.

by FatK44 on Aug 6, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa

There’s actually a huge difference between NoVa and DC. DC is on the right side of the river. NoVA, on the otherhand, is “over there.” I suppose you should be exempt from knowing the difference…

by WannabeHoya on Aug 6, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice generalization

You can’t take a handful of fans and claim that SU fans “barely” know who Christmas is. That’d be like me looking at this thread and deciding all GTown fans are bitter, jealous and like to recycle the same crappy jokes over and over. Or is that a correct assumption?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 6, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Guess loss of cox really hurt.

FUCK.

by hoyasincebirth on Aug 6, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

public enemy #1

Here is the idiot himself

Real nice that the first school that comes out of his mouth of the also-rans is Georgetown.

Casually.

by CasualHoya on Aug 6, 2010 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

bad news

people have on his facebook have been congratulating him all day. lets just hope 1) this is just a rumor and 2) its a weak verbal meaning he’s still open to other schools

We employ you.

by ChrisWright'sSleeve on Aug 6, 2010 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Fucking ridiculous...

Syracuse wasn’t even in the picture a month ago… they just fucking swoop in and steal our recruit that we’ve been recruiting for more than a year.

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 6, 2010 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, thats the ticket.....

He was paid by the Cuse. Uh, huh!

Just skimming around, enjoying the meltdown of your fanbase. All the elements are here: panic, despondency, lame accusations……
Remember, denial ain’t just a river in Eqypt!

All jokes aside- a great GET by the Cuse. Who’s on the Hoya radar after Rak- O’Bryant, Hopkins, Chol? And if you whiff on them, what/who do you have on the back-burner?
Peace.

by VerbalKint on Aug 6, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

We know, we know

We’re the only people who’ve ever questioned the recruiting methods of your program.

Ever.

Why so Syracuse?

by HoyaJoker07 on Aug 6, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes- because thats the reason Rak chose the Cuse!

Hey, your juvenile temper tantrums are doing your illustrious program proud. Tell ya’ what- how about ditching that rinky-dink, Mickey Mouse, Princeton-garbage offense & maybe then you can recruit better than 3-4 year projects? Give it a shot- what do you have to lose? Even when you did land a tremendous player like Monroe, you stuck him out on the perimeter & asked him to be Steve Nash- what a great idea!!!!
JTIII has no one to blame but himself- and deep down in those blue & grey nook & crannies of what you call your Hoya Souls, you know I’m right!
Have a nice weekend. Peace.

by VerbalKint on Aug 6, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

i read the first line of your post

I’m happy you admitted it.

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 6, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

this
I’d rather it be blind faith in a system that’s not always perfect and a coach who’s put us back on the map in recent years than blindness to players who beat up on women

I can have oodles of charm when I want to.

by aja32 on Aug 6, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

"I love the smell of empty Hoya HATE in the morning.......

It smells like….VICTORY"!!

Yeah, fellas- keep telling yourselves that the Cuse is all those things & more- we’ll keep whuppin’ that azz on the court, while you- Continue. To. Milk. The. Clock. To. Get. A. Better. Shot…. yaaaawwwnnn!

Besides, doesn’t really matter what we say here or elsewhere- fact is the recruits see your “system” for what it is …BORING AS HELL!

Now go home & get your fricken’ shine-box! Peace

by VerbalKint on Aug 6, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

do Cuse fans really think they are going to beat us this year?

I’m really not exaggerating here, but to put it simply: our returning 4 of our starting lineup (including two likely All-Big East Senior guards) have figured out your gimmicky 2-3 Zone.

If I was Syracuse, I would not be placing large bets on the Orange.

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 6, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gimmicky?

Gimmicks fade away, they don’t endure for three decades, win national titles, and consistently crank out ranked teams. Georgetown has had over 20 years to figure out the gimmicky zone, apparently they haven’t or they would never lose.

We need more toilet paper, I'm taking my talents to South Beach.

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 6, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's ok, guys, I have a program for this

Translation:
Entry

Yeah, fellas- keep telling yourselves that the Cuse is all those things & more- we’ll keep whuppin’ that azz on the court, while you- Continue. To. Milk. The. Clock. To. Get. A. Better. Shot…. yaaaawwwnnn!

Translation
Yes, gentleman, continue to present the reasons our program is crooked – we’ll keep ignoring our violations of rules and human decency in order to fill our moral void with basketball victories, while you- wear down opponents defenses and wait for a better shot (That one translated directly because it made sense…again, I HATE that we wait for good shots).

This translation brought to you by “Rosetta Stone: Douchebag”

Why so Syracuse?

by HoyaJoker07 on Aug 6, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, its been fun commiserating with the deluded masses of

Hoya Nation- but I’m gettin’ ready to go hit the links.

Seriously, good luck to you guys- and don’t worry, I’m sure you’ll assemble a nice class for 2011!
Just keep doing what you’ve been doing- & JTIII can resume coaching inhis system and nabbing good recruits that’ll fit in it …..casually!
Peace.

by VerbalKint on Aug 6, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

1992? That’s older then this kid is. And if you bothered to read the article, the head of the investigating committee admits that Boeheim had no knowledge of any wrongdoing, but get’s the blame as the head coach (fair enough when it happens, but not the same as the coach being in the middle of it). Way though to base all of your misguided hatred and slander on ancient, misrespresented stories.

We need more toilet paper, I'm taking my talents to South Beach.

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 6, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i am mostly offended you referred to your “remember, denial ain’t just a river in Egypt!” statement as a joke.

it wasnt. it made me cringe

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 6, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Orange you glad...

…we didn’t go to that fucking school?

Why so Syracuse?

by HoyaJoker07 on Aug 6, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The stakes for this year just got that much higher

We need a banner season….literally.

Why so Syracuse?

by HoyaJoker07 on Aug 6, 2010 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I went from praising Steve Alleva....

to wondering if this program is or isn’t fully on the brink in just under 5 hours. Let’s just recruit hard nosed under the radar kids that actually want to be at Georgetown instead of these top rated guys that lie through their teeth (“Academics is very important to Rakeem”), quoted his guardian. No it’s not. I hate pulling the “at least we are a better school” angle, but we are. Bottom line, we are. Academics aren’t important to you, going to a basketball factory is. Just tell the truth, it’s ok.. There is nothing wrong with that. But I want more Greg Monroe/Jon Wallace type kids…you know, the ones who excel on the court and in the classroom, instead of the Dontae Green/Paul Harris/Eric Devendorf types of the world.

Or I’d take just one verbal for 2011, whatever comes first.

"Before the answer was a 3, I was down in Georgetown with a Hoya chick, lawyer chick....."

by brandonbowmansfootistoobig on Aug 6, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmmmm

We have members of this site saying Syracuse is rebuilding, and somehow not going to end up even ranked, while others say they are a basketball factory. Can’t have it both ways gentlemen.

We need more toilet paper, I'm taking my talents to South Beach.

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 6, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I received this press release via email from HIS COACH nearly one year ago today...

Press Release

Rakeem Christmas, rising junior in 2011 class, narrows school choices to eight Universities

Bryn Athyn, Pa, August 10, 2009: Rakeem Christmas has had a long summer of outstanding performances at the most coveted basketball events. With the AAU basketball season drawing to a close, the nation’s "best defensive player" has garnered attention while playing for Team Final and also participating in individual camps including NBA Players Top 100, Rumble in the Bronx, Amar’e Stoudemire & Lebron James Skill Camps, Nike’s Peach Jam, Super Showcase and most recently Adidas Nations Global, in which he played for USA’s 2011 Team coached by Frank Johnson. Before wrapping up his summer events next week at Boost Mobile Elite 24 game at Rucker Park in New York, the rising junior and his family decided on the schools he plans on looking closely at for options of attendance in 2011. “It’s been a process, one that we wanted to make sure that the best choices were made for Rakeem,” said Amira Hamid, Christmas’ aunt and legal guardian. “He has been receiving scholarship offers since the 8th grade. With such an overwhelming number of schools interested in him, it was important that we did our due diligence with finalizing this list.” The universities that make up this list include: Baylor University, University of Florida, Georgetown University, Indiana University, Ohio State University, University of Oklahoma, University of Texas and Villanova University. “I appreciate the interest that many coaches have in me but these are the schools that my family and I think would be a good fit for me” Rakeem stated. "My family and I are thankful to everyone that has offered me a scholarship and participated in my recruiting. I’m looking forward to my season at ANC and playing for Coach Givens. I’ve played with some of the players during the summer and I had a good time. After summer is over I want to make sure that I do well and improve in class and on the court."

Casually.

by CasualHoya on Aug 6, 2010 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

note that he says he wants to "improve in class" yet he's chosen a purely mediocre at best school over georgetown

it also makes you wonder how fishy his whole thing was with making “all schools open to recruitment” and removing his final list about a month ago

We employ you.

by ChrisWright'sSleeve on Aug 6, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I'm sure

Joe Biden, Ted Koppel, and Joyce Carol Oates thought SU was mediocre at best. Let’s also not mention the best journalism school in the nation besides Columbia.

We need more toilet paper, I'm taking my talents to South Beach.

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 6, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you serious

what about northwestern? UNC? UCal Berkley? i mean i know it’s a good journalism school but i can name at least 12-15 that beat out syracuse…

We employ you.

by ChrisWright'sSleeve on Aug 6, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can even conceed Northwestern

for the sake of argument. It’s a great school. But 12-15? That’s ludicrously partisan.

We need more toilet paper, I'm taking my talents to South Beach.

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 7, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Try concede.

They teach spelling in that great school?

They'll like us when we win!
- Toby Ziegler

by tashoya on Aug 9, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I got this one from his coach on December 1, 2009

Press Release

Rakeem Christmas’ list of eight becomes a list of five Universities
Bryn Athyn, Pa, December 1, 2009: The nation’s "best defensive player", Rakeem Christmas, is ready to begin the basketball season at the Academy of the New Church.
"Since our last announcement, certain schools have made a valiant effort regarding Rakeem’s recruitment. Stronger bonds have been established with a few programs and their staff. Our current list reflects that" stated Amira Hamid, Christmas’ aunt and legal guardian. "Once we know it’s right for Rakeem and once he feels 100% confident about the situation, everyone else will know. This process has been lengthy but we are in no rush to meet a timeline. We’re pleased with the current schools we are considering and looking forward to watching them play this season."
The five universities that are still being considered for Christmas’ attendance in 2011 include: Florida International University, University of Florida, Georgetown University, University of Oklahoma and University of Texas.
In regards to his short list of options, Christmas released the following statement, "I’m happy to work with a smaller group of schools going into the season. I’ve been so busy with maintaining my grades and practicing with the team, that I think this will help me focus with having to deal with less pressure during the season. My transition at ANC has been great. I’m enjoying my classmates, teachers, and teammates. Coach Givens has been great with the workouts. I’m just ready for the season to start."
The Academy of the New Church home season opener is scheduled for December 4th at 7:00pm against Atlantic Christian. For full schedule visit www.ancss.org/athletics/calendar.html

Casually.

by CasualHoya on Aug 6, 2010 12:58 PM EDT reply actions  

This whole thing just smells fishy…in the Calipari kind of way.

Casually.

by CasualHoya on Aug 6, 2010 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

trevor cooney has been talking to him

“The two are planning to recruit others to join them as well. Cooney mentioned two players in the class of 2011, Rakeem Christmas and Anthony Davis, who they are working. Cooney has talked with Christmas, his AAU teammate with Team Final, a number of times, but has yet to talk to Davis, who has the Orange in his final three.” Full Article

by PoorSports on Aug 6, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at the facts

Davis was going to visit Cuse, his dad wanted 150k for visits, Davis cancelled his visit to Syracuse… Sounds like Jimmy wasn’t dishing up the cash. He is actually probably one of the 3 sources from other schools, I know he hates Calipari. Cooney talked him into coming here, but hey you wouldn’t know anything about Conney because no Thompson has come within a 100 yards of a white player.

by CuseTown on Aug 7, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Must be a typo

white guys don’t play at Gtown. Everyone knows that

by CuseTown on Aug 7, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Always classy 'Cuse

your colleagues posting elsewhere in this blog make valid and defensible basketball points…. you, on the other hand, represent the larger proportion of the ’Cuse fan base - bigoted and ignorant…..

by MerlinWilson'sSister on Aug 7, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually, yes you are

read the actual article from yahoo sports. the countenance blog took the quote out of context – ewing jr. was not saying that. you just linked to a blog with racist propaganda all over the place. good choice, says a lot about you.

love the thompson is a racist charges, especially coming from syracuse fans. if boeheim starts an all-black team, is he too a racist? is calipari a racist for the team he put on the court this past season?

thompsons two mentors were white. his agents are white. his first assistant coach was white. his long time assistant coach and replacement was white. his advisors were white. the men who hired him and defended him were white.

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 7, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha

Buddy I didn’t pick this one because of “racist propaganda” I picked it because it came up 1st on google. If you want pick one of the other 20 articles that come up on the topic go ahead. But any way, I’m going to go celebrate getting a 5 star center 3 years in a row. Get ready for that buddy.

by CuseTown on Aug 8, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chance to shut me up

I honestly don’t know the answer to this, but who was the last white Thompson recruit to start?

by CuseTown on Aug 8, 2010 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nikita

but really he practically played for the other team, so you really can’t count him.

by bunk moreland on Aug 9, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

Because Christmas decided to play with a teammate of his at a school that will give him a chance to shine?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 6, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hear ronny seikaly is a great mentor

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 6, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

at least derrick coleman comes to games

seeing how he has nothing else to do. you know, like playing, coaching , commenting.

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 6, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

taking care of his finances

"Before the answer was a 3, I was down in Georgetown with a Hoya chick, lawyer chick....."

by brandonbowmansfootistoobig on Aug 6, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

who would want to be mentored by Ewing, Mourning, Mitumbo, John Thompson, Hibbert, or Monroe?

or play in pick-me-up games with Chris Paul?

When you can go to a school with no history of big man development that your friend is going to….

I hope he enjoys watching the NBA draft on tv…

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 6, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's low

you should probably know what you’re talking about before you comment… oh wait, that’s why you’re on this site. A major reason Coleman went bankrupt is because he tried to take his money home and revitalize his hometown with some investments. What a douche!

http://detroit.blogs.time.com/2010/04/12/giving-derrick-coleman-his-due/

We need more toilet paper, I'm taking my talents to South Beach.

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 6, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey moron....stop....

You don’t lose all of your cash “revitalizing” your hometown…Dikembe has given an insane amount of money to his homeland and has plenty of cash. If he did indeed lose all of him money putting money into his hometown without holding onto some of it himself (maybe do some due diligence on your investment), then he is as dumb as I think he is.

"Before the answer was a 3, I was down in Georgetown with a Hoya chick, lawyer chick....."

by brandonbowmansfootistoobig on Aug 9, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dashonte is doing fine

Tough to get on the court when you’re a freshman on a 30 win, Big East championship winning team.

He’ll be fine. Kris Joseph is doing well too! You Hoya fans had a lot to say about him when he didn’t play much as a freshman.

by JON_S on Aug 6, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

"30 win, Big East championship winning team"....

that got PUNKED by the Hoyas on Thursday at the Garden. God that was beautiful. The best part were the NY redneck fans that got eerily silent as the rest of Garden turned against them as the Hoyas dominated the second half. Maybe the best part was actually the beer with the pretzel in the handle, but the silence was a close second.

"Before the answer was a 3, I was down in Georgetown with a Hoya chick, lawyer chick....."

by brandonbowmansfootistoobig on Aug 9, 2010 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

fuck, there goes my friday

ashamed that a 17 year old’s knee jerk desicion about where to accept a basketball scholarship to play basketball 15 months from now gets me down. Espcially when it is likely one of the biggest days of this kids life. That said he picked cuse, so enjoy upstate NYC in winter.

by bunk moreland on Aug 6, 2010 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

What Boeheim doesn't tell you is...

…the pretty car his money buys you is going to be eaten through by road salt by late November.

I spend the day after the away game road trip washing my car and apologizing to it.

Why so Syracuse?

by HoyaJoker07 on Aug 6, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are not alone
I am here with you
Though we’re far apart
You’re always in my heart
You are not alone

Casually.

by CasualHoya on Aug 6, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

it looks like the decision was mostly motivated by a desire to play with his friend Trevor Cooney

why the fuck would you make such an important decision having such a huge effect on your development and career based on where you’re friend went…

man.. fucking teenagers

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 6, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

can't fault them really

Syracuse is a great place to be.

Casually.

by CasualHoya on Aug 6, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

I seem to recall DC getting blitzed this year…..

Wait, I thought Syracuse was the only place it snowed according to you guys?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 6, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Worked for LeBron

We need more toilet paper, I'm taking my talents to South Beach.

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 6, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wear that shirt to bed

The “You can’t spell SUCKS” one, not a shirt with a picture of your dog.

I wear that one less often.

Why so Syracuse?

by HoyaJoker07 on Aug 6, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

What makes GTown fans more upset?

A)The fact that SU has owned GTown head to head for the last 20 years(and it’s gotten even more lopsided in the last 10).

B)The way SU has killed them on the recruiting trails recently?

C) The fact that GTown lost to Ohio in the NCAA’s?

I’m sure things will pick up at some point for you all. If not, you can still keep pointing out that you once had Ewing, Mourning, and Mutumbo!
Hint: recruits don’t care about who you had 25 years ago, and if you think Roy Freakin Hibbert is a selling point, well….I’m laughing.

by JON_S on Aug 6, 2010 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

SU 2 - GTown 1

While the 3 game sweep would’ve been nice(like in our 2003 championship season), winning 2 out of 3 was ok. I wonder if that .667 winning % against GTown actually LOWERED SU’s winning % against GTown in the last 20 years though?

by JON_S on Aug 6, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I figured all the 'Cuse fans

were humming Meatloaf’s “2 out of 3 ain’t bad” all the way back upstate……… ON THURSDAY night

by MerlinWilson'sSister on Aug 6, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh man, I just made a scene at work laughing at that one.

Why so Syracuse?

by HoyaJoker07 on Aug 6, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

none of us cared about the loss

We all knew the outcome was meaningless in terms of seeding…..we had a #1 seed locked.

The only concern was over AO’s injury.

by JON_S on Aug 6, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

After that game... Boeheim lied to the public and to the NCAA's about AO's injury

in order to secure a higher tourney seeding….

just another day in the office for that fine upstanding coach who tolerates women beaters….

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 6, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

SU deserved a #1 seed

Getting screwed out of it because of an injury would not be right. They earned that with the work they did all year…..and they got it. Cry about it.

You should be more concerned with how Georgetown botched their GIFT of a 3 seed. Talk about undeserving…..and they proved it quickly too, huh?

by JON_S on Aug 6, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

to be honest

their seed was stolen by villanova, so it was hardly a gift being a 3 seed. it purely amuses me how you cuse fans are talking smack when the upcoming season it going to be a DISASTER for syracuse. call it a rebuilding season, but it will still be a pure shitshow. have fun being unranked while georgetown contends for the big east title.

We employ you.

by ChrisWright'sSleeve on Aug 6, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you serious?

Do you even follow college hoops at all? Most preseason rankings have Syracuse in the top 20, for the record.

Second, I’m guessing you said the same thing last year when Cuse lost Flynn, Devendorf, and Harris.

Joseph, Jackson, and Melo(top 10 recruit) could potentially be the best frontcourt in the Big East, with Riley providing depth.

Scoop, Triche, with Waiters(top 25 recruit) off the bench should be a solid backcourt. Then we’ve got two swingmen who can come in and light it up from 3 in Mookie Jones and James Southerland.

Syracuse lost a lot but has more than enough pieces to put out another very good team. We’re Syracuse, we don’t have DISASTERS. The worst it gets here is 20 wins and the bubble….worst case.

by JON_S on Aug 6, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

but in 06-07 and 07-08 cuse was in the NIT

that’s far from a good season. and plus, what “most rankings” are you talking about? i have yet to find one.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/213169-2009-2010-college-basketball-pre-season-top-25

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/College-Hoops-Preseason-Top-25-for-2010-11-051010

and stop referring to syracuse as “we.” you are not part of the basketball program other than being a fan.

We employ you.

by ChrisWright'sSleeve on Aug 6, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said

Bubble is the worst it gets here. I don’t consider a 22-10(10-6) season or a 19-13(9-9) season a DISASTER. And those are our worst seasons.

Let’s see, when a I google 2010 preseason college basketball rankings the first one that pops up is:http://www.collegehoopsvideo.com/2010/05/2010-preseason-college-basketball-rankings/

That one has Cuse at #5. Wow, that was hard to find.

Vitale has Cuse at #7.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/dickvitale/news/story?id=5292918

Took me all of 20 seconds to find two rankings that have Cuse in the top 10, let alone top 25.

WE should be very good. Fans use WE all the time. Get over it. Looks like you’re trying to deflect attention from the fact that you have no clue what you’re talking about when assessing Syracuse’s outlook for the coming season.

by JON_S on Aug 6, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

i lost the little credibility i had for you

when you mentioned dick vitale’s. as old and experienced as he is, i think the entire college basketball fanbase can agree that the rankings he put out were a complete and utter joke. please before you try and argue about a rebuilding season find a credible source for you over-exaggerations.

We employ you.

by ChrisWright'sSleeve on Aug 6, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just gave you two

Do it yourself!

I really don’t care what these rankings say anyone, because I follow my team closely and feel like I know more about Cuse than they do anyway. But since you’re so hung up on them, I just gave you a couple quick ones. You want more? GOOGLE IT.

I told you why I think Cuse will be good. 4 returning contributors from last year, and a top 5 recruiting class, plus several talented sophomores who couldn’t quite crack the rotation on a loaded, experienced team last year but could be factors this year. Plenty of talent at SU, like usual.

How about you give some reasons why Cuse will have a “disaster, shitstorm” of a season? Let’s hear it.

by JON_S on Aug 6, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

Says the guy who referenced a freakin’ Bleacher Report article from 2009. Nice job with “credibility”.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 6, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.... and "none of you"

actually cared about losing to Butler* either, I guess…… since you won 2 out of 3 games in the tourney….(I’m detecting a common theme to this 2 out of 3 thing)…

  • btw, GU 72 Butler 65 this past seasonh

by MerlinWilson'sSister on Aug 6, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

Really reaching for your smack now, aren’t you?

Syracuse had a far better season than Georgetown in any way you can measure it. Get over it, suck it up, and deal with it. Trying to talk smack about a 30-5 team that beat your team twice, won the Big East regular season, and made the Sweet 16……when your team accomplished significantly less, is just foolish.

by JON_S on Aug 6, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

more smack

THIS. Does it count as smack if its news?

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 6, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh no!

I guess we’ll just have to buck up and try to survive the loss of a scholarship. Getting the #1 Center in the 2011 class should help.

by JON_S on Aug 6, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

zzzzzzzz

could you please just hurry up with my order? Whoppers don’t taste good when they’re cold

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 6, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

Getting your butt kicked on the basketball smack front, so you resort to random, generic “personal” insults towards people you’ve never met/will never meet. People STILL do that on the internet? Really? Pretty lame, but it lets me know you have absolutely nothing of substance to say about basketball.

by JON_S on Aug 6, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

here are some points, enjoy

1. your program has no academic standards
2. your program has no ethical standards
3. your school has no academic standards
4. your school has no admission standards
5. schools generally do best in placing their grads in jobs nearby their locations. DC is booming. Upstate NY is dying.
6. The returning Hoyas have the 2-3 Zone figured out. Be scared.

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 6, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't be scared of truth

it is what it is

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 6, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

I got a great education, partied my tits off, and you still have no recruits.

by nleary66 on Aug 6, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

How does one qualify as receiving

a “great education” from a school that falls below the NCAA Academic Progress Rate

(see link above)

by MerlinWilson'sSister on Aug 6, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

when you say tits

are you referring to your man boobs? because i can’t imagine anyone from syracuse wanting to go outside to exercise in that god awful place

We employ you.

by ChrisWright'sSleeve on Aug 6, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

No need to reach....

since you can’t spell SUCKS without SU

by MerlinWilson'sSister on Aug 6, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

how witty

How many times have you typed/said that one in your life?

You guys have all these corny lines to fall back on, when getting slapped around with facts huh?

30-5, Big East Champs. Speaks for itself.

by JON_S on Aug 6, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

uh oh someone better tell WVU that they aren't Big East Champs anymore

delusional Burger King fry chefs have dictated it…

they may not be happy about this, I wouldn’t give them their change back if I were you….

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 6, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regular season champs

And you knew what I meant.

You see, there are Big East regular season championships, and there are Big East Tournament championships.

Someone tell WVU they lost to Syracuse last year, for like the 9th time in 10 meetings. See, there’s a school out there that has had even LESS success against Syracuse than Georgetown recently!

by JON_S on Aug 6, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Recently???

Most recent = Hoyas 91 ’Cuse 84 on Thursday, March 11th

by MerlinWilson'sSister on Aug 6, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was such an awesome game... i have it Tivoed..

love me some vee sanford

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 6, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

1 out 3!!! Way to go!

To tell you how little I cared about that game……

I TIVO’D it, and had to watch it later. I went in fresh, not knowing what happened and watched it as if it was live. As soon as AO got hurt, I shut it off in disgust and didn’t even bother watching the rest. I didn’t care about the outcome. I went online and started looking for info on AO’s health, and saw that SU had lost.

Meaningless outcome for SU, but it must’ve been quite a thrill for GTown to notch a win over such a powerhouse. Good for you guys!

by JON_S on Aug 6, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really? that's cool

As much as I enjoying watching Syracuse beat Georgetown, neither win over them ranks near the top of our many W’s last year. To be honest, the Hoyas kind’ve sucked and SU beats them so often these days that it’s not as exciting. Still fun though. Hoya fans make it much more fun, because they get so rattled over it.

by JON_S on Aug 6, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

read the first 10 comments

then read the comments after you trolls came here… we started off really upset, then you trolls came and helped us get over being upset by giving us someone to mock.

So in fact you reverse rattled us, you helped us get over being upset, so thanks. Also, thanks for the advertising dollars from the increased traffic, they will be used to support Hoya causes.

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 8, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL! MAD!!!

I’ll dig some change out my couch cushions for you guys too! These Hoya causes must need all the help they can get, the way you guys have been taking L’s lately! I want to help the less fortunate.

by JON_S on Aug 9, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

To be honest...

…they pretty much suck equally.

Why so Syracuse?

by HoyaJoker07 on Aug 6, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

its not that we once had those guys...

its that those guys regularly show up and help Hoya Bigs develop….its the reason why Hoya Bigs go in the first round…. and Cuse Bigs go undrafted.

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 6, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hibbert

A 7’2" big man who stayed all 4 years in school, received his degree, took his team to the Final Four, was drafted in the 1st round, and is a starting center in the NBA.

Keep laughing.

Casually.

by CasualHoya on Aug 6, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

funny

You all can take shots at Rony Seikaly and Derrick Coleman……4 year players who were far better players than Hibbert. But you want to get sensitive over Roy Hibbert?

I should point out that Etan Thomas stayed all 4 years at SU, was probably a better student than Hibbert(since you all act like you care about that so much when it’s convenient), was drafted in the first round, and was a starting Center in the NBA. But he’s never brought up when you all are trashing SU’s big man development history. Oh yeah, he wasn’t a big recruit either.

How’d those SU big men, Rick Jackson and Arinze Onuaku look last year? Is it the fact that they actually play like big men that has you all so shook? I remember when GTown big men played physical and tough like those two did last year.

by JON_S on Aug 6, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude

How long is your lunch break at Burger King?

by lordnick on Aug 6, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

^^^ THIS

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 6, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

You all can take shots at Rony Seikaly and Derrick Coleman……4 year players who were far better players than Hibbert. But you want to get sensitive over Roy Hibbert?

When you make fun of Hibbert, Casual points out he has done and is doing pretty well for himself. When we make fun of Derrick Coleman, you have nothing to say and so instead, we’re the ones being sensitive about Hibbert. Oh…I understand now…because I’ve suffered a head injury.

I should point out that Etan Thomas stayed all 4 years at SU, was probably a better student than Hibbert(since you all act like you care about that so much when it’s convenient), was drafted in the first round, and was a starting Center in the NBA. But he’s never brought up when you all are trashing SU’s big man development history. Oh yeah, he wasn’t a big recruit either.

See, good response! That’s a fair point. And he’s been with OKC, too, so I can almost get behind him. I’m not really sure why you’re surprised we didn’t bring him up…“Hey, ‘Cuse fans, you can’t develop big men! Except Etan Thomas, he was awesome.” We’d be a disgrace to the rivalry!

I would like to know just what makes you say “he was probably a better student than Roy Hibbert.” Just a feeling you get? Is your knee acting up? Is a STORM A-COMING?!

How’d those SU big men, Rick Jackson and Arinze Onuaku look last year? Is it the fact that they actually play like big men that has you all so shook? I remember when GTown big men played physical and tough like those two did last year.

Not bad, really. In fact, Onuaku’s been a pain in my ass since he put on the forbidden color. And it’s not like I was happy he got hurt. If it had to happen, though, and again, never would wish it on a player, even a Cuse player, I’m relieved it happened late enough in the BET game that you’re not on here telling me you would have won if he HADN’T gotten hurt.

Why so Syracuse?

by HoyaJoker07 on Aug 6, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coleman

When you make fun of Coleman, I say nothing because the things you’re ragging on are irrelevant. I could probably find some things Ewing or Mourning did 15 years after they left college, but I don’t care….so I don’t.

In terms of what he did at Syracuse, really, what can you say? He brought it to GTown and everyone else every night for 4 years. Big East player of the year, #1 pick, all time NCAA leading rebounder(since broken), threw down a hard dunk on Mourning!……really, not much you can say about him. He was great.

by JON_S on Aug 6, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really? REALLY?!

You know what Alonzo Mourning did 14 years after he left college?

He won an NBA National Championship with the Miami Heat.

But as you say, you don’t care…about NBA achievement apparently, which is why you’re laying it on thick about everything Coleman achieved in college. And before you say it’s the same we’re doing for Hibbert, Roy was in college a BIT more recently and is working on his game like a champ so he doesn’t become one of the top draft busts.

Sure, Ewing never made it to the top, but today he’s coaching the best big man in the NBA because he knows what it’s like to BE the best one.

Btw, I like you a lot more than VerbalKint. At least I’ve learned stuff based on your posts (for instance, Etan Thomas).

Why so Syracuse?

by HoyaJoker07 on Aug 6, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was talking about off the court crap

Since most of the insults towards Coleman are usually based on that(see the one above about him going bankrupt or whatever). Pretty sure Mourning and Ewing have had some slipups. I don’t care enough to look it up. Whatever.

Calling Coleman one of the top draft busts is ignorant. He was a 20-10 player for his first five years in the league….made “Dream Team 2”. Did he reach his potential? No. Bust? A guy who averaged 16.5 points and 9.3 rebounds for his career was a bust?

And let’s look at that 1990 draft.

http://www.nba.com/history/draft_round1_1990s.html#1990

I see one player who had a better career than Coleman….Payton, who went #2. So Coleman was drafted 1st, but ended up the 2nd best player from that draft. Bust?

When scrolling through the drafts, I see quite a few #1 picks who Coleman had a better career than: Olowakandi, Joe Smith, Larry Johnson(arguable, maybe), Kwame Brown, Kenyon Martin……..and I’d put him on a similar level with guys like Elton Brand and Yao Ming. 2005 on, I’d say it’s too soon to tell.

by JON_S on Aug 6, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you consider Jeff Green a good pro?

Because at this point in his career, he’s not as good as Owens was at the same point. But you love to talk up your mediocre pros(Green, Hibbert), while trashing SU players who were better than them(Owens, Seikaly, Coleman)….funny how that works.

by JON_S on Aug 6, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought you had gone back to "work" for the day...

you’re back! lucky us…

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 6, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said that

Just said I was taking off.

I’ve owned every single one of you on every bball point brought up, and some of you got so butt-hurt over it that you resorted to “personal” attacks towards a name on the internet. Hilarious! The more you do that, the madder I know you are.

by JON_S on Aug 6, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

quality hoops talk^^^

Billy Owens>>>>Jeff Green.

Cry.

by JON_S on Aug 6, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference

sorry buddy, I’m going to restrict my convos with you to me telling you which value meal I’m going with.

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 6, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

figures you'd be a fast food eater

You don’t seem real bright.

The truth is, you have absolutely nothing to offer on the basketball front. At least you know your limitations.

by JON_S on Aug 6, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that all you have, really?

Tossing lame fast food insults at people? I mean, come on dude. That’s pretty weak….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 6, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah, a better comparison
He was considered to be the second best prep player of 1988, behind Alonzo Mourning. Owens and Mourning were co-MVP’s in the McDonalds’ Game.

also, it’s a bit unfair to compare the two because jeff green is early on in his career and likely to stay with the thunder and build a franchise, rather than owens who moved around his entire career. yes he was a good player, but just never developed like green has.

oh and this is a gem too
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/2005/06/24/gallery.nbabusts/content.8.html

We employ you.

by ChrisWright'sSleeve on Aug 6, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

what?

What do you mean he “never developed like Green has”?

In their 3rd pro seasons:
Owens: 15 ppg, 8.1 rebounds, 4.1 assists, 51% FG

Green: 14.7 ppg, 5.8 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 45% FG

At the same points in their careers, Owens was better. And I’m only comparing the two because you guys talk like players such as Green and Hibbert are so good, and Owens was such a bust.

Owens’ career went downhill after 5 years or so due to injuries. We don’t know if that will happen to Green, or if he’ll get better, or maintain the level he’s at. But thus far, he has not been as good as Billy Owens was at his peak. Just something to think about for all the clowns who trash these SU “busts” without really knowing what they are talking about.

by JON_S on Aug 6, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

i mean i respect owens and he was a good player

but he was known as a flashy scorer who often was the player who was purely meant to score and grab rebounds. jeff is a role player who is playing on a team with two of the great young players in the nba, one of them being amongst the best in the league. i’m sure if he was on a different team his numbers would have been different, but the role he currently plays on the thunder is a much more important thing than the number of points he puts up each game

We employ you.

by ChrisWright'sSleeve on Aug 6, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

playing a role?

Like say GRABBING REBOUNDS AND GETTING ASSISTS?

Yeah….I posted those numbers, and Owens’ were significantly better.

The stats I posted were from Owens’ 3rd season, when his teammates included Chris Webber and Chris Mullin, and the Warriors were a young and talented playoff team just like OKC. Horrible point.

You sound like someone who wasn’t even watching hoops back then and didn’t even watch Owens play back then.

by JON_S on Aug 7, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

See my above post

on DC. He tried to be active in the community, unfortunately it was a bad city and some poor investments.

We need more toilet paper, I'm taking my talents to South Beach.

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 6, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah? That's nice

Maybe they should’ve donated a few million to GTown for facilities, like Carmelo did for Cuse! I’m sure all these recruits can’t wait to practice in the sparkling Carmelo Anthony Center?

Say, wasn’t Melo from Baltimore, which is not too far from Georgetown? Must burn you all up that Cuse has gotten so many key recruits from that area. Not only did Carmelo lead SU to a national title, he’s still helping the program 7 years later!

By the way, Coleman(the guy you all trash nonstop) has done plenty of good for others.

by JON_S on Aug 6, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question

I have a simple question about Georgetowns recruiting over the past few years. Just to to get it out of the way I am a Syracuse fan but I’m not here to gloat or argue I’m legitimately curious what the people on this blog think.

Do you guys believe that Georgetowns offensive system is hurting their recruiting? I mean (as much as I hate to admit it) Georgetown is a top program in a great city and is a great academic institution. Yet with the exception of Mr. Monroe the hoyas seems to be whiffing on the real top shelf recruits.

by westcoastorange on Aug 6, 2010 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Political answer

I can’t imagine that Georgetown’s offensive system is not giving recruits a reason to think twice about committing given the limitation on gaudy offensive numbers that it inherently produces.

Any hesitation on the part of recruits seems silly given the recent success of JT3’s players ascending to the next level (Green, Hibbert, Summers, Monroe), but I can see why some of these high school ‘stars’ would rather play for a school near Canada in the hopes that they can score 20+ per game playing in front of fat chicks.

Casually.

by CasualHoya on Aug 6, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is definitely part of it. Throw in the fact that they don’t play on campus and can rarely fill stadium unless for Saturday games against ’cuse, nova, and duke….and add the pitiful lack of success in the tournament the past 3 years.

Those aren’t the most desirable traits these players are looking for. That being said, the history of this program, the location, and the huge success of some recent players shouldn’t make recruiting too difficult. Which makes it EXTREMELY frustrating that this program has managed to drop off since making the final 4, which otherwise should have made things very easy for JT3 to improve the talent coming into the program.

by jmflyers111 on Aug 6, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

so true

i am very close to burning my casual diploma

Casually.

by CasualHoya on Aug 6, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Final Four gave us access to a recruiting level we didnt have before

so the subsequent years are not really a historic decline, more like a return to the mean.

That said: the mean is not awful. I’m quite optimistic about our ’10 recruits.

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 6, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

SB Nation better be sending you guys some more headbands...

You got 3 Syracuse fans to sign up for the Blog this week - weatcoastorange, JON_S and VerbalKint

by MerlinWilson'sSister on Aug 6, 2010 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

we don't need headbands

we need CASH so i can fly to Mississippi and make sure Johnny O’Bryant winds up in DC.

also, we need more headbands

Casually.

by CasualHoya on Aug 6, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never rec'd a headband last year

and is why I lurk outside of JGD’s window in the 609 in the evenings

by MerlinWilson'sSister on Aug 6, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

cash to fly to miss?

just put in an unmarked enevelope, much more efficient.

also wasnt our fancy new assistant supposed to bring the miss recruits. JOB better be coming.

by bunk moreland on Aug 6, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

also, FatK44

the 4th ‘Cuse ’athletic supporter’ that signed up for the blog in the last 3 days

by MerlinWilson'sSister on Aug 6, 2010 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd also like to point out...

…that had all of these ‘Cuse fans not come over to this thread, we’d probably still be whipping ourselves and wailing…instead, we’re all feisty now.

Who says this rivalry is dead?

Why so Syracuse?

by HoyaJoker07 on Aug 6, 2010 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Have a good one!

It’s been fun.

In closing I would like to say that as exciting as it is to land a top 10 player, it’s even more fun when your rival was convinced they had him. And then when they throw a sour grapes hissy fit over it, it’s just flat out awesome. I am enjoying it, and I hope you all never get to experience it.

Goodbye!

by JON_S on Aug 6, 2010 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Lunch break over!

Back to the drive-thru window.

by lordnick on Aug 6, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just read through these comments

You guys sure are bitter about all this and like to use the same jokes over and over. Losing one potential recruit means that much to your entire class?

Well good luck guys, looking forward to next year’s battles on the court.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 6, 2010 4:27 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

that makes 5 Cuse Delinquents who have become members...

thank you for the advertising dollars gentlemen.

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 6, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was already a member for whatever reason

Guess that was my mistake.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 6, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

no need to worry...

the money will be put to good use- helping Hoyas transportation through the horrors of southern Canada milk country

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 6, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

You say that like you don't drink milk

We need more toilet paper, I'm taking my talents to South Beach.

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 6, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get it

Rejection hurts. Especially when your school has spent so much time and effort to recruit this kid, just for him to take a long, extended look at your program and say “no thanks”. I get the seriously hurt, bitter feelings that makes you want to say “The other school HAD to have cheated. No way he likes that school better, my school is so superior, why can’t he just see that!” First off, argue academics all you like, the chance of a top 10 recruit graduating in four years is slim to none. And as much as you like to tout your school, Hibbert, Monroe, and Summers all left without graduating, so academics really is not a deciding factor, as much as we would like it to be. It couldn’t POSSIBLY be that he looked at both programs and saw a 2011 Georgetown squad without Wright, Freeman, and Vaughn, bringing in a 2010 class that is weaker than SU’s, and nary a single peer in 2011 versus playing on an absolutely stacked 2011 ‘Cuse roster. Melo, Christmas, Joseph, Waiters, and Triche starting with Moussa Keita, Riley, Fair, Southerland, and his buddy Cooney coming off the bench. Nope, no way that could be the rationale, it must be something nefarious. "When I was in elementary school, that school had some assistant coaches that cheated behind the head coach’s back. I don’t care what the investigation found, he’s dirty and they must have been doing it for the last 18 years without getting caught once! Yeah, that’s it!" Rejection hurts.

We need more toilet paper, I'm taking my talents to South Beach.

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 6, 2010 10:26 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Hibbert did graduate

Monroe plans to continue his education during the off-season and eventually graduate.

Thanks for playing.

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 6, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right about Hibbert

my bad. I meant Jeff Green. The main points of the article still apply. Thanks for trying to misdirect.

We need more toilet paper, I'm taking my talents to South Beach.

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 6, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good for him.

Seriously I mean that. As a teacher I wish more “student athletes” completed their degrees. However, my original point regarding top 10 recruits still apply.

We need more toilet paper, I'm taking my talents to South Beach.

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 7, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

My Friends Of GTown

I will give you a long lesson as to why recruits choose the almighty Syracuse Orange over Hoya saxa. REASONS:
1. A Coach who has 827 wins and with a 74 win percentage.. PHENOMINAL
2. Syracuse is the 5th winningest program of all time, While Georgetown is no where NEAR Syracuse in total wins
3. I would rather go to a coach with a 74 win percentage than one with a 66 win percentage
4. I would rather go to the team who leads The head to head series by a solid margin
5. I would rather go to the team who has won a championship in the past 10 years
6. I would rather play at the Carrier Dome than the lame Verizon Center
7. I would rather go to the monumental facilities that Syracuse has to offer… Now Georgetown on the other hand… ehhhhh
8. I would rather play at one of the most exciting offenses that goes up and down the floor at Syracuse, rather than play for JT III’s mickey mouse princeton offense and pass the ball 24/7
9. I would rather play for the team who has 2 OUTSTANDING recruits coming in at the guard position, rather than the team who has had a pretty tremendous ZERO verbal committs.. comical
10. Georgetown? Georgetown? Over Syracuse? Over the Hall of Fame Coach and the fifth winningest program of all time with tremendous facilities and extremely rich tradition? PSHHHH
10.

by Evan aka Korver on Aug 7, 2010 12:07 AM EDT reply actions  

so many trolls

if only SU had admissions standards or academics, there’d be less unemployed yokels on this blog.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-universities-rankings/ You’re on page 3, in case you had difficulty finding yourselves

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 7, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

so little to say about basketball

just baseless personal attacks. Pretty good sign that you’re struggling to keep up.

by JON_S on Aug 7, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

how is it a personal attack? jesus christ if you're gonna pretend like syracuse is a credible school learn the difference...

a personal attack would be like the classic, casual burger king attacks that have been thrown your way that are most likely true. speaking upon the mediocrity of a school is not a “personal” attack and is far from “baseless.” i mean, unless your syracuse education taught you otherwise, the over-exaggerated, cocky attempts at having an ego are at first comical but then depressing when you realize a syracuse fan spends his entire day on a georgetown fan blog making outlandish claims half the time

We employ you.

by ChrisWright'sSleeve on Aug 7, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Namecalling is usually a personal attack

Lame and childish….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 7, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it a personal attack for pointing out that the guy can't spell PHENOMENAL??

or is that just an indirect attack on the quality of education received??? (or not rec’d)

by MerlinWilson'sSister on Aug 7, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey folks, let's keep it on basketball, or at least be informed if we're talking about academics

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-public-affairs-schools/rankings
 Oh hey, BOTH these schools are on the list

http://worldranking.blogspot.com/2009/06/top-journalism-schools.html
Oh hey, only one of these schools is on the list

http://whichuniversitybest.blogspot.com/2009/06/top-international-relations-programs.html
Oh hey, the other school is on this list

Hey, neither of these schools is on this following list, but one of the schools managed to make the Sweet 16 and the other managed to win it all last year
http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/worlds-best-universities/2010/02/25/worlds-best-universities-top-400.html

Academics: moot point. Let’s continue bashing each other’s basketball programs now.

Other people look, Andy Rautins can SEE.

by FatK44 on Aug 7, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't you guys lose to Monash University last year....

oops…. sorry it was LeMoyne College - down the road a piece

by MerlinWilson'sSister on Aug 7, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

re evan aka korver's swiss cheese list

nice try using cuse’s history selectively. doubt a recruit counts years when measuring national championships, and if he does, surely he can realize the fact georgetown has been to a final four, won two regular season conference titles, and been to three BET finals in the last four years. Cuse hasnt come close to matching this, mainly because of its long legacy of post-season failure under jim boeheim.

or perhaps a recruit can count the 5 NBA picks georgetown has had in the last four years.

or perhaps he will realize that when you remove the BS cupcakes cuse loads up in november and december (you know, the months when they refuse to leave the state of NY) thompson III and boheims conference winning %’s are identical.

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 7, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

mickey mouse princeton offense that creates well-rounded NBA talent or boeheim’s 2-3 zone which rids players the ability to guard effectively in professional play (unless you are counting eastern euro countries)

i’ll take the former.

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 7, 2010 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

NBA players as of last year

Syracuse:
Carmelo Anthony
Hakim Warrick
Jonny Flynn
Donte Green
Etan Thomas
Jason Hart

Georgetown:
Roy Hibbert
Jeff Green
Allen Iverson
Dajaun Summers

is that is??? Also, Cuse just added Wesley Johnson and Andy Rautins, though Jason Hart could be out. Iverson could be out for GTown.

Cuse has more players, and better players currently in the NBA. Ewing and Zo don’t suit up anymore! It’s 2010. Try again!

by JON_S on Aug 7, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

why wouldnt 2 hall of fame players matter?

what if i take off all one and done players from cuse’s list, since they obviously didnt develop any skills at cuse

as logical as removing 2 top 50 all time players from gtown’s list.

the names Ewing, Mourning and Mutumbo certainly resonante with recruits more so than JASON HART

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 7, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

because...

they ARE NOT IN THE NBA!

Why don’t I throw Dave Bing on the Cuse list? Wow.

I’m talking about players CURRENTLY IN THE NBA.

LMAO at wanting to remove Melo from Cuse’s list. Every kid out there knows where he went to college. He’s still helping the program 7 years later. Let’s remove AI from GTown’s list, he only stayed 2!

by JON_S on Aug 7, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you really believe

recruits say to themselves “Patrick Ewing played their 25 years ago, I should think about going there”?? I sure don’t. I don’t think recruits are contemplating going to Syracuse because Derrick Coleman played there 20 years ago, either.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 7, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was 20-25 years ago

Is GTown still considered that today?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 7, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

absolutely

you must have been in a deep dark hole for years if you even manage to ask that question. wait, you live in upstate new york…

We employ you.

by ChrisWright'sSleeve on Aug 8, 2010 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do?

I don’t get your hangup with people being from upstate NY. Who gives a crap where someone is from, and what does that have to do with Syracuse and Georgetown on the court? How many more childish, lame comments can you make that aren’t even insulting?

Besides Hibbert, who did a great job developing, who else has gone on to the NBA? Monroe hasn’t played a minute yet, so I’ll let that play out first. Othella Harrington? Great college player, decent NBA player. I’ll give you him. Any other true big men in 20 years?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 8, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeff Green

At least do you research before commenting. And don’t say he’s only 6’9 so therefore isn’t a big man, because he’s still taller than Rakeem

by Moose#10 on Aug 9, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jeff Green is a SF

What research needs to be done there? I know how tall he is, but I also know he’s isn’t playing down on the blocks. Maybe 20 years ago, he’d have been playing down in the post. I don’t consider SF’s big men in the traditional basketball sense.

You guys are the most sensitive bunch I’ve ever come across.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 9, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Georgetown's Greg Monroe was the 7th pick in the 2010 NBA Draft

Didn’t see him mentioned in the above where you tossed out Wes Johnson and the Canadian who has the same tattoo as his father.

Casually.

by CasualHoya on Aug 8, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Talk about using something selectively....

You mention Syracuse playing cupcakes in December. I didn’t realize the Hoyas were playing the Lakers and Celtics while SU was feasting on Colgate. Wait, check that. GU plays cupcakes too, just like every other major D1 program.

Last year:
Tulane
Savannah State
Mount St Mary’s
American
Harvard

08-09:
Jacksonville
Drexel
Wichita St
American
Savannah State
Mount St Mary’s
FIU

07-08:
William & Mary
Ball State
Fairfield
Old Dominion
Fairfield
Jacksonville
Radford
American
Fordham

Etc, etc, etc.

There’s nothing different about Syracuse playing these cupcakes.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 7, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol Georgetown had one of the top strength of schedules last year in the NCAAs

Syracuse had one of the easiest Big East schedules possible

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 7, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that wasn't the point obviously....

Which you just happened to totally disregard.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 7, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

that might be the funniest/most ignorant post ever

Let me get this straight to you first: your boy John Thompson III will NEVER be on Jim Boeheim’s level of winning. EVER… So never bring in us playing cupcakes brings up his percentage… Like Georgetown doesn’t play cupcakes. Give me a god damn break thats bad man.. Hahahah thats bad. You just made your self sound like a total hyprocrite.. Good lord, that is hilarious. And long post-season failure over Jim Boeheim? The guy has been to three national championship games you freaking bimbo.. How many has JTIII been too? None. How many sweet sixteens has Jim Boeheim been too? 18…. lordy lordy, You are a classic HOYA

by Evan aka Korver on Aug 7, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

who many years did it take boeheim to reach his first final four?

how many years did it take jt3 to reach the final four? how about jt2?

how many final fours has boeheim been to since jt3 became coach?

you are comparing a 30+ year career to 6.

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 8, 2010 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Listen, no one in college basketball gives a shit about how good your school is. Being a good academic school doesn't make you good at college basketball.

If being a good academic institution made you better at basketball Harvard would win every year. Recruits don’t give a shit about how Presidents went to your school. Recruits care about being on tv, winning, playing in big games and going to the NBA. There is a reason why Syracuse continually out recruits Georgetown. It’s because Syracuse is better at all of things that recruits covet in a school. Now quit bitching, get better facilities, a new coach and then maybe you’ll have a chance of competing on our level. Until then, you’ll be losing recruits and games to us every year. Tough Shit.

by Upstait on Aug 7, 2010 2:15 AM EDT reply actions  

you had one successful year!

ONE. 2009-10.

in the six years since thompson III has taken over the program, this has been cuse’s success.

2005 – lose to vermont in first round
2006 – lose to texas A&M in first round
2007 – NIT
2008 – NIT
2009 – can’t get through sweet sixteen
2010 – can’t get through sweet sixteen

Exactly what level of competition is cuse competing on?

get over yourselves

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 7, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

hilarious

When touting Georgetown, you idiots are counting going to the BE Tournament final as some big accomplishment!

Let me fix that up for you a little by including a little more info….

2005 – 27-7 (11-5), Big East Tournament Champs (better than GTown)
2006 – 23-12 (7-9), Big East Tournement Champs
2007 – 24-11 (10-6)
2008 – 21-14 (9-9)
2009 – 28-10 (11-7), Sweet 16 (better than GTown)
2010 – 30 – 5 (15-3), Big East Regular season champs, Sweet 16 (better than GTown)

So I guess winning 2 BET titles and 1 regular season title(all 3 in different seasons) somehow equals “one successful year” out of 6?

by JON_S on Aug 7, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

so in the last six years, georgetown has had three better seasons

and has has had 3.

and in cuse’s best season, they went to the sweet 16 and won the regular season title.

in georgetown’s, they went to the final four, won the regular season title and BET title.

forgot the BET doesnt matter, remember seeing that on the cuse player’s faces after the 6OT game

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 7, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

silly us "idiots"

forgot no one actually tries in the BET.

cuse plays reserves and only plays 4.

its the post-season, moron. it matters

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 7, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

it matters much less

When you already have an NCAA 1 seed locked up.

2009…..Cuse jumped up to a 3 seed after their run to the finals, getting big wins over UConn and WVU. They improved their resume.

Last year, their resume needed no improving, so it meant less to THEM.

I never said it “doesn’t matter” in general.

by JON_S on Aug 7, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

wouldnt you feel a little slighted as a fan?

if your team didn’t try against its biggest rival because it “meant less to them”

that is a cop out. cuse showed up to play, and they lost in a post-season match to gtown.

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 7, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I never said they didn't try

Just pointed out that the game meant little to Cuse in the big picture, as it did nothing for their NCAA seeding either way. I’m sure they still tried and wanted to win, but they certainly didn’t “need” that game.

If GTown is ever in that position(doubtful with the way recruiting is going), maybe you’ll understand.

by JON_S on Aug 7, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

of course

taking after your fearless leader with the exCuse

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 7, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

not factually correct

total bs revisionist history.. as my earlier link to the Nunes game day thread showed it meant a lot to Cuse fans, and they were scared as shit about their ranking after the game

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 7, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

We are one of the 10 most successful programs of this decade. Winning the National Championship, regular season conference title 3 times and the Conference Tournament twice.

We also owned Georgetown this decade as far as the head to head. We objectively have had the better decade. We also objectively have a better program history. I don’t know what you guys want to debate. We are just the better school. Start by firing your coach and putting some money into your facilities. Maybe you can make it onto our level in the next couple years. Oh wait, that’s not possible since you’ll be left recruiting everyones scraps this year.

by Upstait on Aug 7, 2010 2:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Who cares about the decade

Compare the time JT3 has been at gtown to the last 6 years of cuse basketball. We went through a rebuilding period when our hall of fame coach retired in the early part of the decade. you will have yours shortly. mike hopkins = craig esherick (long time assistant taking over for HOF coach, it never goes well)

JT3 (2005-2010) – 4 NCAA Tournament appearances, 1 Final Four, “2” Sweet Sixteens (incl. Final Four year), 2 Regular season titles, 1 conference tournament title, 3 appearances in conference tournament final

JB (2005-2010) – 4 NCAA Tournament appearances, 0 Final Fours, 2 Sweet Sixteens, 1 regular season title, 2 conference tournament titles, 3 appearances in conference tournament final.

JT3 has Final Four over JB. JB has 1 BET Title over JT3.

Which one would you rather have?

Where is this Cuse Dominance you speak of? Looks like typical JB, underperforming when it matters.

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 7, 2010 2:38 AM EDT reply actions  

why no mention of head to head?

You know that if the head to head matchups were going the other way, you’d be mentioning it every chance you get!

It should also be pointed out that SU has been much better than GTown the last 2 years….and with the way recruiting is going, SU should continue to be better than GTown in the forseeable future.

But hey, GTown was better than Cuse from 2006-08, which was probably our worst stretch in 30 years(we’ve rebounded nicely huh?)! Hang onto that!(Just ignore that SU still did well head to head)

by JON_S on Aug 7, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

i fear my point escapes you, not surprisingly

what significance does a decade have to a recruit? do you think a recruit cares about time periods before the coach was recruiting them was at the school? do you think john wall had reservations about committing to kentucky because of billiy gillispie’s legacy?

so compare apples to apples – john thompson III at georgetown vs JB at cuse.

or compare program history:
syracuse has more wins. georgetown has had more post season success (more BET titles, more final fours, and better history of creating NBA talent

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 7, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

re: JON_S above

my stupid reply button isnt working

Conference head to head is 35 Cuse, 32 Gtown – that is hardly anything to brag about.

Gtown leads head to head in post season play, 7-6 – again hardly anything to brag about

there is your head to head, if a 3 game margin is the difference between an “incredible, world dominating team” and a “crappy team on a swamp” than i’ll stop talking.

but you know its not

as for last two years – it is ebbs and flows. Georgetown has not had a senior starter on their team the last two years. young teams don’t do well in the big east.

if you compare conference results, post-season results and sending players to the nba – georgetown actually has an advantage over your well-funded, snow-ridden program.

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 7, 2010 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Amazing

Up above you’re only wanting to talk about the last 6 years…..yet for the head to head and NBA players you want to go back to the 80’s! Incredible. Be consistent please!

GTown got the best of the head to head and was the better program for much of the 80’s, no argument there. SU passed them in the late 80’s and has generally been the better program ever since.

By the way, you’re pointing out GTown had no senior starters the last 2 years…..SU was playing with 7 healthy scholarship players(Devendorf and Rautins both had season ending injuries), who were mostly freshmen during 2008! I can come up with reasons for our “bad” seasons too.

by JON_S on Aug 7, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

amazing indeed

that my point escaped you.

if you want to compare coaches – compare over relevant time periods, not a decade.

if you want to compare programs, compare over the history.

get it?

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 7, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

just saying programs go up and down, not making excuses

look at ucla, uconn and unc this year.

two years is nothing.

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 7, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

2 years is nothing

So I can say “3 years is nothing”, especially when 2006-2008 is pretty much the only 3 year stretch that GTown was better than Cuse in the last 25 years.

by JON_S on Aug 7, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

sure

3 years is nothing
4 years is nothing

10 years in nothing.

morph the time period to whatever you want to make cuse look better. but overall, gtown has had more post season success than cuse.

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 7, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

GTown's success all came bunched together in the early-mid 80's

They went from 1985-2007 without making a final 4!(Cuse made 3 during that time period)

Cuse has been more consistent. 1975, 1987, 1996, 2003……looks like we’re about due again. Looking at the roster, I’d say we’ll certainly have a chance in the coming years.

by JON_S on Aug 7, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

so what you are saying

is that post-season success doesnt matter if it comes in bunches.

sending players to the nba doesnt matter if the player, despite being a hall of famer, doesnt play anymore.

wins in the BET tournament dont count, because cuse doesnt try.

you should have set your guidelines before trolling our board, would have made this a lot easier.

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 7, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm saying

when that bunch of postseason success came 25-30 years ago, it’s not all that relevant anymore, especially when you’ve done very little in the postseason since.

As for NBA players and BET success…..SU has been easily ahead there recently, too.

GTown hasn’t been ahead of Cuse in ANYTHING for any significant time period in a long time.

by JON_S on Aug 7, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

how about....

“relevant time periods” when comparing programs….such as “years that these recruits were actually alive”.

A lot of kids probably don’t really care about things that happened 10-15 years before they were even born.

by JON_S on Aug 7, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

So if you want to compare coaches

and you talk about JTIII’s 6 years with the program, you shouldn’t be talking about the 80’s, historical head-to-head matchups or the Patrick Ewing and Alonzo Mournings of yesteryear.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 7, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

the whole point of this exchange is to disprove the notion that cuse has dominated gtown

i dont see it anywhere. not when comparing coaches of similar time periods at their schools, not when comparing programs.

you got christmas, sucks for us, we’ll deal with it.

thanks for stopping by, and helping us cope with out short term misery.

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 7, 2010 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Cuse has been clearly better for 2 straight decades

Better in the 90’s, better in the 00’s…..and clearly off to a better start for the 10’s.

by JON_S on Aug 7, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

and cuse has been better in the last 2
and georgetown has been better in the last 6
and cuse has been better in the last 15
and georgetown has been better in the last 25

fun times

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 7, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

except 2 of those statements are false

The last 6 has been pretty even, and Cuse has been easily better in the last 25.

by JON_S on Aug 7, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

disagree on 25

especially when if you believe program success is winning post-season games (which unfortunately for cuse fans includes the BET, which they apparently dont care about) and sending players to the NBA.

but im not debating that with you. you can have 25, ill take 26. YAY!

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 7, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

last 25

SU has been to more final 4’s over that time period.

So where are you getting GTown had more “post season” success from?

Also throw in that Georgetown basically sucked from around 98 to 2005, making what, ONE NCAA Tourney in that stretch? C’mon.

I’ll even start in 1984…..
Years that GTown was better: 1984, 1985, 1997, 2001, 2006, 2007, 2008

Years that SU was better: 1986, 1987, 1988, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2009, 2010

can argue either way: 1989, 1992, 1995, 2002

Even if you give GTown ALL of the seasons where it was pretty even…..SU still comes out ahead.

by JON_S on Aug 7, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

just got back to computer

nice list, before i actually dive in, which i wont do until monday, i would love to hear how Cuse had a successful postseason in 1993 considering they were banned from postseason play that year.

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 7, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

for cheating, mind you

also keep in mind, post-season success isnt just making the tourney. it is doing something in it.

cuse has been upset by lower seeds in 4 out of their last 5 tournament appearances.

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 7, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

when I say "better"

I’m talking about who was the better team and had the better season, not solely a better postseason. Take overall record, league record, and postseason play into account.

In 1993, Syracuse was 20-9(10-8). Georgetown was 20-13(8-10). Syracuse went to the BET finals. Syracuse likely would’ve made the NCAA’s if they had that chance. Georgetown was an NIT team. Syracuse had the better team/season.

The years where it was harder to call were the ones where the teams had similar records and post-season success. For example, 1995. Georgetown was 22-10(11-7). Syracuse was 20-10(12-6). Georgetown made the Sweet 16, Cuse made the 2nd round. Both lost to final 4 teams in UNC and Arkansas. They split the head to head. That’s a tossup to me, they were basically even.

On the other hand, in 1996 Syracuse was 29-9(12-6). GTown was 29-8(13-5). But Cuse gets the edge because they went to the national title game, while GTown went to the elite 8.

That’s my reasoning when listing which team was better in which season.

by JON_S on Aug 7, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

alright this has been fun

im off to do better things with my saturday. sure someone else can pick up for me if u want to continue.

thanks for trolling, i wouldnt dislike cuse nearly as much if it were for people like u – take that as a compliment, rivalry is good

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 7, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

and Syracuse is the better Overall program

Wait who has more totaltop 5 most winningest program of all time buddy. You will never be on the prestigious level of Syracuse basketball

by Evan aka Korver on Aug 7, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who has more total wins? The cuse is the 5th winningest program of all time buddy

by Evan aka Korver on Aug 7, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

right

right, winning the big east regular season and losing in the sweet 16 is the same as a final four.

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 7, 2010 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

If you honestly believe that a championship banner

from 7 years ago is somehow trumped by a Final Four banner from a couple of years ago then there is nothing that will drag your head from the sand. To say “well since the national title they haven’t been as good” is disengenuous, because the national title means more than any other accomplishment a program can acieve. Ewing and Zo are HOFers no doubt, but Carmelo’s name rings out more now simply because he is a current superstar. Recruits can watch him play, can play as him on PlayStation, and can see his influence in the training facilities he paid for on campus. To say that this does not sway recruits is to ignore that better recruits are coming to Syracuse.

We need more toilet paper, I'm taking my talents to South Beach.

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 7, 2010 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

man I came back from going out today and there 42 new posts

doesn’t anyone have anything to do on a Saturday? Go to museums, restaurants, festivals, cultural events, or just hang out with enjoyable company?

oh that’s right you live in upstate NY.

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 7, 2010 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

well don't fault Upstait....

he was posting at 4:17am,… before heading out to milk the cows

by MerlinWilson'sSister on Aug 7, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again with the bashing of dairy farmers

Do you not like milk? Where do you think all of your food and beverages come from? You act like the industries that keep us alive are somehow beneath you. Oh that’s right, you live in a big city. You must either be a ghetto thug or a self-absorbed yuppie. Hey look, I can play the mindless stereotype game too!

We need more toilet paper, I'm taking my talents to South Beach.

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 7, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

All Georgetown fans are from Washington DC

and nowhere else. All outsiders are inferior and deserve to be ridiculed. That’s what I’m gleaning from this thread.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 8, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

false

i’m from the heart of new york, where i am unfortunately surrounded by a few gtown fans but mainly poser cuse fans

We employ you.

by ChrisWright'sSleeve on Aug 8, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Usually "poser"

means someone who is attempting to blend in where they do not belong. Being a Syracuse fan in NY state is a natural state of being. Your statement makes no sense.

We need more toilet paper, I'm taking my talents to South Beach.

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 8, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

by poser

i mean they tell people they are a syracuse fan, but have no knowledge of the team, it’s history, or the sport

We employ you.

by ChrisWright'sSleeve on Aug 8, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

kinda like yourself?

Your description of Billy Owens as a “flashy scorer” kind’ve gave away that away. Then you go onto say Green plays such an important role for a good team…….Owens played for a team that was just as good and had better stats beyond scoring…better rebounder, passer, shooting %, etc. Just a horrible argument and you clearly never watched Owens play much.

Next you insisted that Cuse would be TERRIBLE next year, and would be unranked, and proceeded to post preseason rankings from 2009-10 to prove it. When challenged to discuss Syracuse’s team and WHY you feel they won’t be good, you couldn’t do it. Just clueless.

I will say that some of the Hoya fans I’ve been going at it with on here at least appear to know the game, history, etc. You’re not one of them. You post like you started watching 5 years ago, yet you still want to speak on history even though you learned it all from the internet.

by JON_S on Aug 8, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

Every Syracuse fan has no knowledge of the team or the program’s history. Riiiiight. I’m sure every single GT fan knows everything about your program, too.

Do you generalize like this in every aspect of your life?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 8, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is Fantastic

I don’t know what I’m enjoying more, that fact that Cuse landed the top center in the 2011 class or reading all the these posts from upset Gtown fans. You guys are just going to have to get use to it, be ready for a 5 star center 3 years in a row. And thanks the Carmelo’s 20 million dollar practice facility it won’t be slowing down any time soon. Maybe you guys could go ask Iverson for some cash.

by CuseTown on Aug 7, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Location Location Location

Christmas wanted to be as close to the North Pole without leaving the United States. Fair enough.

by Moose#10 on Aug 8, 2010 2:21 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

hahaha ^^^^ THIS

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 8, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh, I see what you did there...^^^^

Levity is good- it signals a sense of acceptance, which we all know is one of the stages of grief.
After a coupla days I find myself being more magnanimous about this situation. Listening to old #44, SU’s Floyd Little’s acceptance speech to the ftball HOF made me realize how easy we take stuff for granted.
A decent GTown team is good for the rivalry, & our constant pounding of you muttley’s over those “down” years, albeit extremely satisfying, ultimately diminished the rivalry.
I sincerely hope you do pick up a few good recruits in the future- we wanna stomp you at full strength, its so much better that way. Peace.

by VerbalKint on Aug 8, 2010 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

don't worry our two upcoming All-Big East guards

who have 4 years of experience dismantling your zone will make mincemeat out of you all frosh team this year.

Then when your precious Melo is one and done, we can spend all weekend trolling on the Nunes blog… oh wait, that’s right I have a life, sorry guess you’ll have to accept my regrets on that one…

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 8, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

All Fresh team?

Pretty funny. When you have 7 starters losing 3 isn’t all the bad. Does Gtown even have any big guys next year? Please don’t tell me you plan on playing Vaughn at center.

by CuseTown on Aug 8, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

4 years experience dismantling the zone? Georgetown “dismantled” the zone once out of 3 times last year. They looked horrible the other 2 games.

All frosh team? Scoop Jardine – 4th year Junior, Brandon Triche – Soph, Kris Jospeh – Junior, Rick Jackson – Senior……4 experienced guys starting, plus Melo.

Do you guys even follow basketball, other than your own team? I’ve seen some absolutely clueless posts.

By the way, if Melo goes one and done we’ll just replace him with the #1 center Rakeem Christmas! Plus we’ll have a veteran Dashonte Riley by that point. It sure is nice to be able to recruit big men!

by JON_S on Aug 8, 2010 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

lol yes you keep telling yourself

that the 23 point near-comeback in game 2 and the game 3 dismantling were flukes and not spurred by the fact that the Hoyas had figured out the zone… oh one problem with your bs fantasy, Boeheim himself admitted after the BET that Gtown had played them so much they had figured out the zone. …. hmm… your own coach disagrees with you, troll.

Your team lost its 3 best players and are relying on one-and-done freshmen to replace that gaping hole. It won’t work this season, and then they’ll be gone, b/c really, who wants to stay at Syracuse if they had any choice….

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 8, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah, they figured it out...

the 3rd time they played them.

You think that’s going to carry over when they play each other 10 months later? WOW.

We lost our 3 best players after the 2009 season…..and we were even better in 2010. We aren’t Georgetown. We’re Syracuse. We reload. That’s what happens when you can recruit.

Kris Joseph is better than anyone on Georgetown’s roster, by the way.

by JON_S on Aug 8, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

not to mention, Greg Monroe is GONE

have fun attacking the zone without him.

Fab Melo and Rick Jackson should have a lot of fun in the Georgetown games this year.

by JON_S on Aug 8, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahah
Kris Joseph is better than anyone on Georgetown’s roster, by the way.

this statement is just plain idiotic. I apologize for responding to you, it was silly of me, Mark Twain was the right the first time about avoiding arguments with fools.

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 8, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really...

He is projected as a 1st rounder in next years draft. Don’t see anyone from Gtown ahead of him on this list. But hey, feel free to come back with the typical “Mocks don’t many anything” comments. Joseph is a beast and will be 1st team All BE if not BE POY.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/

by CuseTown on Aug 8, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hoya fans.. don't click on the above link...

bunch of irritating ads pop up and loud woman talking about college football

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 8, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just

Just the bitter sweet truth is all that lays behind that Link.

by CuseTown on Aug 8, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

watch and see

He’ll put up better all around numbers, rack up more postseason accolades, and get drafted higher than anyone on the Georgetown roster.

He was our 3rd best player last year too. Judging by your coaches postgame comments, he was surprised when Joseph busted Georgetown’s ass this year. He shouldn’t have been. His scouting reports must’ve been garbage.

by JON_S on Aug 8, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know what's gonna be funny?

when christmas de-commits from ’cuse in the fall and signs with georgetown instead.

see you then, ’cuse trolls!

swoosh? nahhhh...

by Vernon Macklin's Free Throw Stroke on Aug 8, 2010 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Let it go

There are other fish in the sea. You just need to deal with Cuse landing a 5 star center 3 years in a row. I know it hurts….

by CuseTown on Aug 8, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

zzzz...

yes, you got a one-and-doner congrats. As for other fish in the sea, you’re the one spending your weekend trolling on a gtown blog…

not much going for you in the romance department?

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 8, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome

You can always tell when someone has absolutely nothing to come back with when they start to personally attack a poster on a ANONYMOUS message board. I guess Gtown fans are throwing in the towel. Even if they are all 1 and done, we have 3 back to back to back. The funny part is Gtown fans don’t even know about DaJuan Coleman yet. Can’t wait to see the pain you all have when the 3rd ranked player in 2012 officially makes his inevitable commitment to Cuse. The sky is falling and it is all orange.

by CuseTown on Aug 8, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't worry, studies show the country is getting more and more obese

there has to be someone out there for you eventually. Have you tried the buffet line at Sizzler?

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 8, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

Are these really supposed to be funny? These are middle school “insults” that you keep throwing out there and not clever in the least bit….

It’s pretty sad that you and the others resort to really childish and lame jokes and insults. Do you guys really have nothing else?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 8, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good one

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 8, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Get that one from Pauly D??

Buddy i’m married with my 2nd kid on the way. You’re the one with a Jersey shore quote under everyone of your posts. Glad to see you could pull yourself away to make a post or 2. As the Situation would say “your whole team is full of nothing but grenades.”

by CuseTown on Aug 8, 2010 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Even better

they guy who has made 1300 post and is a member of about 20 blogs (including SU ones) is calling me out for having no life…..silly Gtown fans

by CuseTown on Aug 8, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ive made 16 posts total on Nunes since January (some of them were actually nice too)

you’ve made almost that many on this thread since yesterday… its not like you’ve been impressing with your erudition either…

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 8, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh man this site is great

Buddy you have made like 100 posts on here since 8/4, and yet are calling people out for spending to much time on here??? Hey fantastic blog too I really liked this little snippet under bold predictions-
“1. The Hoyas get Rakeem Christmas- on twitter he lists Georgetown first in response to the question of which schools are his top schools, he has recently been tweeting with Nate Lubick, and he had good things to say about David Cox.”

0-1 but keep swinging away!

by CuseTown on Aug 8, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I post on the site for the team I like

i don’t troll around on the internet spending all my time hatin on other teams’ sites…

in reading the comment boards of other websites, most trolls I see seem to either be right-wing militia types, neo-nazi’s, unemployed head cases, and Syracuse fans…

as for my prediction, a lot of people thought we’d get Rak, we were his top choice before we David Cox went to Rutgers, which almost immediately followed by Rak opening up of his list…

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 8, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep trying

You guys will get a guy for 2011 sooner or later. Maybe you should check snookies twitter for some updates.

by CuseTown on Aug 8, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Be honest with me

Be honest, a little piece of you is going to die on the inside when you have to root for a Syracuse man under center of your favorite football team. And to make matters even worse, he actually dropped 10 points and 6 rebounds against Gtown on road to a W in his short basketball career. Gotta hurt.

by CuseTown on Aug 8, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol true...

though I tend to root for the underdog… the fact that the people of Philly were always pretty unfair to McNabb makes him easier to root for.

I will under no circumstances root for Devendorf’s beau, despite his playing for my beloved Knicks.. some things can not be overlooked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63ueatr9tfM

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 8, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andy's not making that team

7-26 for 3 isn’t gunna cut it for a 3 point specialist. Nice college player but that is where it ends. Devo on the other hand just lead his New Zealand team to a championship! Doing big things these days.

by CuseTown on Aug 8, 2010 5:52 PM EDT reply actions  

This is absurd

I’m done with this thread after this.

Cuse landed a center Georgetown wanted. Congrats Cuse. You guys had an incredible regular season last year, before being upset in both the BET and NCAA Tournament. Congrats Cuse. But to come over here and demand some sort of recognition for “destroying” us last year and every year is both ridiculous and outright obtuse. Both programs are historic and collectively made the Big East what it is today.

Since the inception of the Big East. Georgetown and Cuse have the same amount of national championships and have played in the same amount of national championship games.

Georgetown has more Final Fours, Cuse has more Sweet 16s.
Georgetown has more Elite Eights, Cuse has more tourney appearances
Georgetown has more BET titles, Cuse has more regular season titles.
Georgetown has had more success developing All-Star NBA talent, Cuse has more wins.
Both teams have or have had Hall of Fame coaches.
Both teams are on TV, constantly.
Both teams demand national attention.
And both sets of fan bases are just in thinking their team is better.

You have not owned Georgetown. You won 2 out of 3 last year. The series have been split in years prior. For all the “two decades of dominance” you all like to tout, you are still only leading the historic head-to-head series (since conference play began) by 3 games. Your “two decades of dominance” has led to 1 National Championship and 2 Final Fours. Georgetown has had 1 Final Four in that time frame. The national championship is no small feat, good for you. But that isn’t dominance. Especially considering how many Georgetown players have seen success in the NBA . Cuse has Derrick Coleman, Etan Thomas and Carmelo Anthony. Georgetown has Alonzo Mourning, Dikembe Mutumbo and Allen Iverson. Even the most orange-blind Cuse fans knows there is a big difference between the two sets.

Not sure what you expected coming over here trying to piss us off but like someone said before, I appreciate it. It made me less pissed about Rakeem and more excited for the season. I also wish you nothing but failure this season and all upcoming seasons your prison-Orange Orange[men] suit up, in the Big East, Big Ten, or whatever conference your hapless football team drags you to.

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 8, 2010 6:16 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

first worthwhile comment in the thread

well said, friend.

I can have oodles of charm when I want to.

by aja32 on Aug 8, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

the series has NOT been split

In the last 10 years, Cuse leads the head to head 12-7. In the 90’s, Cuse won the head to head 14-5. We’ve split in some years, but on the whole Cuse has been getting the best of Georgetown for awhile Denying it won’t make it any less true.

26-12 in the last 20 years in favor of ’Cuse in head to head matchups. Spin your way around that..

by JON_S on Aug 8, 2010 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not denying anything

I said years prior – 2009 and 2008. You can go as far back as you want to spin your Cuse dominance. I can go back as far as I want to spin my Gtown “dominance”, which includes “dominating Cuse by 1 whole game in the BET” . The point still remains, you arent convincing anyone here.

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 8, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

26-12!!!

There’s nothing to spin! Cuse has beaten Georgetown roughly 2 out of every 3 matchups for 20 years! Cuse has also had more successful seasons than GTown roughly 2 out of every 3 years in that time. What’s that mean? Cuse has been significantly better than Georgetown for a long time.

If it makes you feel better to know that Georgetown was better than Syracuse in the 80’s, then you can have that. Reality is, Syracuse passed Georgetown by as a program a LONG time ago.

by JON_S on Aug 9, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Baby we can post all night

But that ain’t getting us nowhere

Now don’t be sad
‘Cuse…. 2 out of 3 ain’t bad

by MerlinWilson'sSister on Aug 9, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

YET

Georgetown still has more BET titles, more Final Fours and more Elite Eights since the inception of the Big East.

That is post-season mediocrity I talked about. Reach Sweet 16 and flop. In their last 20 years of NCAA Tournaments, Cuse has been knocked out by a lower seed more than half the time.

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 9, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Enjoy your 30 win seasons with crap OOC scheduling. You still don’t have much more to show for it, certainly not a “dominant” amount more.

As for your scheduling comment before, thanks for selectively leaving out the teams Georgetown played which gave them one of the top SOS this year.

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 9, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go ahead repeat the 20-12 comment

As an unwelcomed guest on the blog, I’ll let you have the last word. You havent proven anything here.

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 9, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

20-12?? What is wrong with you?

It’s 26-12!! Can you not see the difference between a 6 and a 0? Should I spell it out? Twenty-six to twelve!

That means…..head to head, we’ve OWNED you for a long time!

Yeah Georgetown’s been to more final 4’s in the Big East era, 4 to 3. However 3 of your 4 appearances happened 25+ years ago. Again, GTown was better for most of the 80’s. no question.

Funny how you’re having such a hard time admitting that Cuse has been FAR better since then. You knock Cuse being sweet 16 and done so often os losing to lower seeded teams…..Georgetown missed the tourney entirely about half the time since 1990!

All of the arguments that you are trying to hang your hat on are based on things that happened in 1982, 84, etc. It’s 2010!! Syracuse passed Georgetown as a program a looooooooong time ago! Hilarious that you can’t come to grips with that.

by JON_S on Aug 9, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I admitted it a long time ago buddy

But I also said 2 years, 6 years, 10 years, 20 years, 30 years are all random dates that we can make points off of. Saying last 20 has no influence on me. Saying 30 has no influence on you. I don’t see dominance in any of those time periods. You do. I suggest going here and reading to the bottom again.

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 9, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would also like to point out

That since 1990-91 season (20 years exactly), the head-to-head record is 25-13, not 26-12 like you have repeatedly stated. Same difference, I don’t really care and I won’t childishly post a comment like “what is wrong with you.”

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 9, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, Esterick, to sum up......

Blah blah blah…….(I kid, I kid).

I’ve enjoyed the back-n-forth banter, & as I’ve said before a good GTown team is ultimately good for SU, the BEast, & the rivalry.

Its not often that we get to rub it in when a highly ranked recruit that we’ve both fought over- chooses one or the other. Dash Riley wasn’t so much a competition- he simply announced his decision after decommitting. Over the years I can’t remember us fighting tooth-&-nail for the same guys much, especially late in their recruiting period.

This is a fairly rare occurrence, so of course we’re gonna milk it!!! I’m sure you’d be inclined to do the same! Peace.

by VerbalKint on Aug 8, 2010 6:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Just read all this...

Troubling indeed for the program… And another reason hate to hate Cuse and its slimy fan base.

by tjm62 on Aug 8, 2010 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Its understandable why he picked SU

1) he has an AAU team mate in the same class who has been pulling for him to go to SU.
2) SU has invested heavily in facilities (see melo center) and its paying off.
3) Fab Melo will likely been a one and done player so Christmas was probably promised the started job as a freshman
4) Its an up tempo system that guys want to play in
5) The Dome – largest on campus crowds
6) Rob Murphy and Hop have proven they are great recruiters
7) Bernie Fine has shown he can develop big men
8) Jimmy B is a HOF’er and coming off a COY award.
9) SU just had a great season when they were on TV all the time and got to the number 1 ranking
10) SU has been putting high profile kids in the league

that being said:

by ryanwk628 on Aug 9, 2010 2:40 PM EDT reply actions  

how is #3 a good thing for you?? lol.

oh well, you are right. I will have to somehow take consolation in the fact that my basketball team is 1-0 against the Cuse in their last 1 matchups, has their own HOF coach, has more Big East titles and Final Fours, didn’t need to put women-beating a’holes on the team, graduates more players, doesn’t commit recruiting violations, puts more players in the NBA, and doesn’t have smarmy troll fans who spend all their free time trolling on opposing teams’ message boards.

But you have a bigger stadium, congrats… I guess I will have to cry myself to sleep in my city with great job prospects, housing market prospects, restaurants, museums, professional sports teams and cultural events.,

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 9, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its a good thing for Christmas. Everyone thought greg monroe would be a one and done as well, but he didnt develop like everyone thought he would. Its the price you pay to get a top recruit.

by ryanwk628 on Aug 9, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is standard Syracuse thinking

yet its disproved by recent Gtown NBA draft selections… in fact, I can’t think of any Gtown one-and-doners…. I guess that’s what having a commitment to academics gets you.

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 9, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

i believe only four georgetown players have ever left early as well

but there are certainly no one and dones i can think of

We employ you.

by ChrisWright'sSleeve on Aug 9, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

gtown never had one and done

leave after two:
iverson
greg monroe
victor page – never drafted

leave after three:
mike sweetney
jeff green
dajuan summers

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 9, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfair

Gtown had its best players before 1 and dones were the norm. Cuse never had 1 until Melo either. If you are trying to make the argument that Melo shouldn’t have gone pro after leading Cuse to a NC then you are clueless. Greene on the other hand was just dumb. If the big names Gtown had in the 80s played today they would be 1 and done also. Probably the same goes for AI.

by CuseTown on Aug 10, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Monroe would have been a lottery pick had he gone the year prior

but stayed the extra year because he felt like he was developing well under the Gtown system and wanted another year to develop and play at Gtown. I also think the emphasis on academics does a lot to encourage that type of decision at Georgetown, an emphasis not present at Syracuse.

Hooked up with Angelina. Someone had to!

by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Aug 10, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

the "one and done" trend of the 80s

was players leaving early. magic johson, larry bird, michael jordan, hakeem olajuwon all left early.

all of georgetown’s stars stayed four years. so saying that the big names georgetown had in the 80s would be one and dones isnt entirely accurate since they resisted the temptation to leave school early when everyone else was doing it.

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on Aug 10, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's certainly not that greg didn't develop

it’s that he was happy with how much he was improving under the system and under the thompsons and wanted to spend another year learning from the system, which eventually led him to become the best passer in the country. also, with the season we had when he first arrived, he said it left a bad taste in his mouth, leading him to stay a second. also, georgetown athletes, unusually, have academics play a big role in attending. for greg, to him it would be his only chance to attend a catholic, specifically jesuit college in his life, which was important to his family.

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by ChrisWright'sSleeve on Aug 9, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

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