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The Greatest Two Minutes in Sports: A Casual Look at the 2010 Kentucky Derby

Last year I was in Houston for a friend of mine's wedding on Derby Day (note: this was the 2nd of my 'friends' to have a wedding on Derby Day which is effectively like kicking me in the nads), and because I was the only one with a sportsbook account, I was happily placing illegal bets with my online funds in exchange for my friends' cash.  I did so knowing that it was a shot in the dark that any of their bets would acually come through, because horse wagering is ostensibly a crapshoot no matter how much time and energy you spend pouring over the past performance charts of the entries into a race.  One of the more drunk of my friends told me to place $25 to win on a horse named Mine That Bird, a 50-1 longshot that looked more like a donkey than a thoroughbred.  I happily took the $25 and planned to spend it on booze at the bar, except just over 2 minutes after the race began I ended up owing this douche $1,250 because the donkey won.  Great wedding.  There was another time when another one of my friends won over 5K by nailing a $1 trifecta box on the 2006 Derby, the OTB wouldn't pay him because he didn't have the proper documentation to fill out a tax form, and his friend who filled it out for him wound up getting audited by the IRS.  In addition, that 5K was GONE after a weekend of swimming in champagne at VIP tables in various 'bars' in NYC.  Just two weeks later, Barbaro broke his leg and eventually died.  The Derby is the best.   The point of this is that the Derby isn't just a horse race.  It is a money-making opportunity.  And we here at THE GLOBAL PHENOMENON want to help you make money.

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Not pictured: The horses I wagered on.

So as you get set to place your wagers on the 136th Run for the Roses, feel free to take some of the sage advice you will receive below in mind.  Just know two things about me first: 1) I am never right except most of the time, and 2) I haven't consulted the one guy I should have before I wrote this.  And we're off...

Casual Derby Preview after The Jump:

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Here are the 20 horses entered to run in the Derby in order of post position:

1. Lookin' At Lucky
Odds: 3-1
Casual Thoughts: Baffert horse that has looked impressive in preps though finished a disappointing 3rd in his last race, the Santa Anita Derby.  Baffert famously threw jockey Garrett Gomez under the bus after that race, publicly questioning why he took him to the rail when the horse hasn't shown any ability to get in front of heavy traffic.  Well guess what Baffert, now you've got the rail in the damn Kentucky Derby, and it's going to take a lot for this horse to weave through the mess of 20 horses, get to the lead and maintain it down the stretch.  Assuming everything goes right this horse has the ability to finish in the top 4, but I just think it's asking too much of him.  No value at 3-1 odds.  None.

2. Ice Box
Odds: 10-1
Casual Thoughts:  Nick Zito horse ran an impressive 99 Beyer speed figure while winning the Florida Derby in come-from-behind fashion, running from 11th to 1st down the stretch.  Horses with closing speed tend to do well in the Derby where all the speed out of the gate tends to gas the burners, so assuming Ice Box can get a clean run, he should be a factor.  I would use in all exotics (tris and supers) and he could win the whole shebang.

3. Noble's Promise
Odds: 12-1
Casual Thoughts:  Purchased for a measly 10K, this horse lost to Lookin' at Lucky by a head in the Rebel but finished 5th while showing very little down the stretch in his last start, the Arkansas Derby.  Could bounce back in the Derby, but I don't think he'll get a great trip breaking from the 3 post, and he'll need all the breaks he can get.  TOSS.

4. Super Saver
Odds: 15-1.
Casual Thoughts:  This horse has Street Sense written all over it, with Borel on the mount to a closing running style that is suited perfectly for the Derby.  Since Pletcher owns it he probably won't win, but I like Super Saver to be in the mix and at 15-1, there's value in him.  He's won at Churchill before.  Include in exotics.  Great value as pick to win.

5. Line of David
Odds: 30-1
Casual Thoughts:  Won the Arkansas Derby by jumping out the the lead early and holding off all comers, but that's not how you win the Derby.  Has never shown an ability to come from behind and pass horses if off the pace, so I suspect he'll be out front early and then get run down.  TOSS.

6. Stately Victor
Odds: 30-1
Casual Thoughts:  Career best Beyer of 95 in the Blue Grass offset by nothing higher than 81 anywhere else.  Will likely be one of the longest shots on the board.  TOSS.

7.  American Lion
Odds: 30-1
Casual Thoughts:  A speed horse who likes to run to the front, Lion will need to turn in a remarkable effort to win the Derby.  And by remarkable, I mean every other horse needs to fall over.  TOSS.

8.  Dean's Kitten
Odds: 50-1
Casual Thoughts: Has already run 11 times in career and looks to be overmatched in this one.  Like Mine That Bird last year and Giacomo in 2005, this horse has NO CHANCE to win the Derby.  NONE.  TOSS.

9.  Make Music for Me
Odds: 50-1
Casual Thoughts:  Has won once in career and won't add the Derby to that list.  TOSS.

10.  Paddy O'Prado
Odds: 20-1
Casual Thoughts:  With Kent Desormeaux on board you just never know.  I don't think Paddy is a threat to win the race, but he could if the track is sloppy as expected. Paddy could pop up at the bottom of tris or supers.  He has apparently looked great this week, I love his running style, and I always look out for those gray horses to be threats. 

11. Devil May Care
Odds: 10-1
Casual Thoughts:  The last filly to run in the derby was Eight Belles, who had to be put down after the race.  The fact that she's a Pletcher horse with 'tactical speed' and that fellow filly Rachel Alexandra impressed so much last year is likely resulting in her 10-1 odds, but I just don't think there's much value here.  If the chick beats me, she beats me.  TOSS.

12. Conveyance
Odds: 12-1
Casual Thoughts:  A gray Baffert horse who is a burner and will certainly be in front at some point, though I suspect will get run down as the distance of the Derby begins to take its toll.  Will probably have to go wire to wire to win the thing, but past speed figures are good enough that he could be a threat to fall into the bottom of exotics if the track is sloppy.   

13.  Jackson Bend
Odds: 15-1
Casual Thoughts:  Cool name for a remarkably consistent horse that hasn't won a race since October 2009, but has finished 2nd in every race since.  Dropped a 100 Beyer last year and has leveled off in the low 90s, he may be able to bite off a piece on Saturday.  Zito horse whose sire is named Hear No Evil and dam is named Sexy Stockings.  Casually.

14. Mission Impazible
Odds: 20-1
Casual Thoughts:  Awful name, just terrible.  Why not Mission Impossible?  Mission Possible?  Mission Unpassable?  The horse's mom is named La Paz, that's why.  Mission's best race to date was his last prep in winning the Louisiana Derby, but that field that included something called Mr. Mardi Gras wasn't that impressive.  Nonetheless, his stretch drive in that one was something to behold, and if he closes like that in the Derby, he could be a factor.  

15. Discreetly Mine
Odds: 30-1
Casual Thoughts:  This horse will need the lead early to propel him around the track, and I don't think he has shown the speed among his peers to grab it.  TOSS.

16.  Awesome Act
Odds: 10-1
Casual Thoughts:  Impressive 98 Beyer figure in winning the Gotham was followed by a pretty solid 93 number in his 3rd place finish in the Wood Memorial.  This horse has sneaky speed, and if he can get a clean trip I suspect he can make some noise on Saturday.  He apparently has looked iffy during prep work at Chruchill this week, however, so I'm hesitant to use him.

17. Dublin
Odds: 12-1. 
Casual Thoughts:  Dublin's dad is a horse by the name of Afleet Alex, who would have likely won the Triple Crown but for that freakish early pace in the 2005 Derby that crushed the field down the stretch and allowed Giacomo to rumble to the wire first.  Alex won the Preakness by 5 lengths after nearly falling down at the top of the stretch, and romped to a Belmont win in one of the more convincing performances I have ever seen.  Don't believe me?  Here it is (the magic happens at about the 2:20 mark).  Now, Dublin isn't Afleet Alex, but blood is blood, and I'll take the blood of a champion at 12-1 odds or better any day.  A D. Wayne Lukas closer with good speed on a sloppy track? Love, love, love

18. Backtalk
Odds: 50-1
Casual Thoughts:  Nope.

19. Homeboykris
Odds: 50-1
Casual Thoughts: This horse has the 'just happy to be here' vibe after making the field due to an injury to Endorsement the morning of the post draw. Homey don't play that. TOSS.

20. Sidney's Candy
Odds: 5-1
Casual Thoughts:  The toughest horse in the field to predict, I would like this guy better if he didn't draw the 20 post.  Big Brown won the 2007 Derby from the 20, but he was a legitimate superhorse with tremendous speed.  Sid has run Beyers of 95, 95, and 100 in his last 3 races (all wins), so he may have the ability to make something happen, but I don't love the value right now at 5-1.  Sid has shown in his prep races that he likes to get out to the lead and hold it, but I think starting from the 20 is too much to ask.  Or is it? 

The Bottom Line:
If you're looking to win some major coin on the Derby, you don't do it by wagering $ on a horse with low odds.  You make money by nailing the trifecta or even better, the superfecta, loaded with VALUE horses that have a chance to hit the board.  With that in mind, here are the horses that will go off at 10-1 or higher that I will be including in a nice, easy, dare I say casual, $1, 4-horse trifecta box (means that it doesn't matter which order they finish so long as you get the top 3 in some fashion) for $24: DUBLIN, ICE BOX, SUPER SAVER, PADDY O'PRADO 

If you're feeling a bit more saucy, here's a $1, 5-horse superfecta (top 4 in some fashion) box  for $120:  DUBLIN, ICE BOX, SUPER SAVER, PADDY O'PRADO, MISSION IMPAZIBLE

Will any of those horses hit the board tomorrow?  Probably not, but on a sloppy track loaded with 20 3-year old question marks, anything can happen. 

Happy hunting, and enjoy the greatest two minutes in sports.

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Sidney's Candy

is owned by Jenny Craig

Also didn’t Rashard Lewis have a horse in the race a few years back?

by Takin' the Points on Apr 30, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Join in the Dance

A longshot that finished 7th last year in the Mine That Bird crapfest.

Casually.

by CasualHoya on Apr 30, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Already got money down

I’m taking Conveyance, Dublin, and Ice Box in a trifecta box, and an exacta box on all three pairs for extra security/green.

Also, I’ve got a superstitious thing about always betting on the grey horse, so I’ve got an exacta box on Conveyance and Paddy O’Prado

CyberSalsaKing

by wadetandy on Apr 30, 2010 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Conveyance

What is it about Conveyance that you like so much? He’s got speed, but can he rate?

Casually.

by CasualHoya on Apr 30, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he can get out ahead of the pack early

and settle in for the long haul. He’s shown in the past that he can deal with being passed and come back to win it. Granted this was over 8 furlongs, not 10, so we’ll see how he does with the extra distance. I don’t see him getting the win. I anticipate Dublin passing him down the stretch, for the win, Conveyance to place.

CyberSalsaKing

by wadetandy on Apr 30, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dublin

Does it bother you that Dublin never seems to win? Hasn’t won a race since Sept. ’09 and placed 3rd on both the Rebel and the Arkansas.

Casually.

by CasualHoya on Apr 30, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Based on your post

I thought you seemed bullish on Dublin?

CyberSalsaKing

by wadetandy on Apr 30, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed

I’m playing devil’s advocate with myself in order to talk myself out of Dublin and lose money.

Help.

Casually.

by CasualHoya on Apr 30, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well besides D Wayne Lucas

The previous three losses were shorter races, and in two of three, he was coming back but didn’t have enough distance to make it up. He’s a strong closer who just needs a bit more room to do it. Plus, as you point out, a sloppy track runs in his favor, and all accounts say it will be tomorrow.

CyberSalsaKing

by wadetandy on Apr 30, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you for saving me from myself

having said that, if dublin doesn’t hit the board tomorrow i am going to kill you

Casually.

by CasualHoya on Apr 30, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like a $1 Tri Box with

1,2,4,15,18,19 – Should pay out nicely if things fall the right way. I reserve the right to change my picks before tomorrow. I have some reservation about the 1 horse as there’s a shot that Lookin’ at Lucky could get pinned in hard against the rail out of the gate

by Takin' the Points on Apr 30, 2010 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

don't blow my cover

after i win the race i’m directing gov’t funding to this blog which means universal health care and headbands for everyone

Casually.

by CasualHoya on Apr 30, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

casual headbands

cure all ills. No need for universal healthcare after that.

KBE

by SirHoya on Apr 30, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

this, from a guy i know in louisville
Watch out for Noble’s Promise. The guy that partially owns it, Mike Nichols, is a good friend of my dad’s from way back (dad coached him in cross country years ago). I would include it in some of the exotic bets, but I’m not sure it can win.

Casually.

by CasualHoya on Apr 30, 2010 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Important

SBNation has a tremendous horse racing blog.

It’s probably the most valuable thing on the internet right now aside from those weekly Erin Andrews clips from Dancing With The Stars.

Casually.

by CasualHoya on Apr 30, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

who cares?

couldn’t resist, sorry. Back to your discussion.

by KellRawLive on Apr 30, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I knew I liked you guys

Grew up going to horse races w/ my grandfather. I never lost my $2 bet to show. Definitely about 4 seconds away from cashing in big on a box trifecta @ the preakness one year. (No really my 3rd horse finished 4th by a nose). Instead I had to beg friends to buy my french fries on the way home. Thx for the xcellent write up, ill be looking for my big, beyond due, win!

by iheartgregmonroe on Apr 30, 2010 3:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

If bad weather causes a delay, the race could potentially be run at night for the first time. The track installed permanent lights over the winter.

The wet weather makes it highly likely that the track will be "off" for the big race, adding another difficult assessment to an already formidable handicapping challenge.

Only eight horses in the Derby field – Backtalk, Devil May Care, Discreetly Mine, Dublin, Homeboykris, Mission Impazible, Paddy O’Prado and Super Saver – have ever raced on a wet track. Of those, Backtalk, Devil May Care and Super Saver won their races, while Mission Impazible was a narrowly beaten second.

Several others have worked out over a wet track, though that experience doesn’t equate with having experienced running on one in a race.

If the forecast holds true, it will be the second straight year that the Derby has been contested over an "off track" — a term that encompasses four separate classifications: "sloppy" (a soupy track with standing water); "muddy" (gooey, but no standing water); "good" (a drying track); and "slow" (a deep, drying track).

Last year, long shot Mine That Bird came from last place to win by 6¾ lengths over a sloppy track at odds of 50.60 to 1.

Casually.

by CasualHoya on Apr 30, 2010 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

And so it is:
6 horse tri box:

Ice Box
Dublin
Super Saver
Sidney’s Candy (now getting value at 11-1)
Paddy O’Prado
Mission Impazible

Casually.

by CasualHoya on May 1, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

CASUAL HOYA

Best blog ever! Can’t wait for the preakness!!

by iheartgregmonroe on May 2, 2010 1:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

I don't understand

why you aren’t getting more props for the awesome derby picks??

by iheartgregmonroe on May 3, 2010 5:48 PM EDT reply actions  

okay nevermind

nothing better than another headband. any chance we can get calvin borel to sport a casual headband?

by iheartgregmonroe on May 3, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd rather have super saver wear one in the preakness

can’t one of you dc people get down to pimlico?

Casually.

by CasualHoya on May 4, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was my first thought

but wasn’t sure we had a headband that would be big enough. If you’ve got one, I’ll get to Pimlico.

by iheartgregmonroe on May 4, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just bitter that I didn't win.

I didn’t box all of my trifectas together, but instead had two groups of them. The top three were an overlap of these two groups. I hate things.

CyberSalsaKing

by wadetandy on May 4, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry fella

at least you’ve got salsa night to look forward to this evening, right? Or do I have the days mixed up again?

Dance out your frustration.

KBE

by SirHoya on May 4, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

this image

reminds me of those neon ‘players’ they had on the sides of the old shea stadium (aka the den of sorrows)

i hate myself for being a mets fan

Casually.

by CasualHoya on May 4, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

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