Where Will Georgetown Be in Five Years?
Big Ten expansion talk is heating up as university presidents are set to meet in DC this week. Many argue that the future of the Big East hinges on Notre Dame giving up its football independence and moving to the Big Ten. I think the Big East is doomed regardless of Notre Dame's decision. Football is the money-maker and football teams will find a way to join with other football teams in the future, leaving those who can't compete behind. Georgetown is in a very tough spot, with very little negotiating power. Where will Georgetown be in five years and who will be in its conference?
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Good read over at Nunes
http://www.nunesmagician.com/2010/4/19/1430983/the-big-east-will-not-exist-in-2013
Can Gtown can football into shape in 7 years?
Good talk.
way to post to a Cuse link
advocating Gtown getting kicked out of the Big East. grr…
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by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Apr 20, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
hate cuse
but understand their position. if they dont move, they will be screwed too.
gtown needs football to be a legitimate program.
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Apr 20, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
That would be a seismic shift for Georgetown athletics.
I just can’t see Georgetown spending the funds to upgrade its football program. Not only would it need to extend scholarships to the 80-something maximum, it would also need to upgrade its football facilities (I believe that there are attendance and capacity benchmarks for Football Bowl Subdivision membership, and pick up the additional women’s sports necessary to satisfy Title IX. (Alternatively, I suppose, Georgetown could require its students to not accept federal financial aid, thereby eliminating its requirement to adhere to Title IX. That, though, will simply not occur.)
There doesn’t seem to be a lot of room around Georgetown to erect a 50,000 seat stadium, which means that Georgetown would need to go the rental route, and that’s an additional expenditure that appears unlikely.
In the end, this pretty much stinks. Syracuse and Georgetown will play once a year on the hardwood and the rivalry pretty much suffocates itself. Stupid economics.
agree
No way Georgetown can get football in shape for DI-A, it is barely a DI-AA team right now.
Guess some at Georgetown will now get their wish as Gtown moves closer to becoming an Ivy League-type school.
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Apr 20, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Georgetown will never be competitive at D1 football
The University is not going to allow this to happen given the financial burdens.
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by TheYellofAllYells on Apr 20, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
dont need to be competitive
need to field a team. like duke.
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Apr 20, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
doesn't duke have a real stadium
never gonna happen in gtown man.
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by TheYellofAllYells on Apr 20, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i can hope, right?
no football = no money = no national exposure = no top recruits = no nat’l championship
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Apr 20, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
we're gonna have to change that equation
because my understanding is that the admin just ain’t gonna get down with football.
High fives only on three pointers.
by TheYellofAllYells on Apr 20, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
FB just too expensive at that level. We choose long ago to forgo a bigtime program. We are one of the most underfunded programs in that Pat League, so upgrading to a higher level is totally unrealalistic.
I still think Hoya Hoops and the Big East will survive.
Hopefully, GU will at least invest to get FB up to a respectable level for 1AA
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by glackensghost on Apr 20, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
unless investing in FB pays for itself in ticket gross
we shouldn’t do it. The endowment seems to suck and tuition is already incredibly off the hook, especially when compared to similarly ranked schools.
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by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Apr 20, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
tough to sell tix
to sit in temp stands and not watch quality FB. Its a classic chix-egg situation. Hard to raise funds and get alums excited when admin not putting a quality product on the field. With success come extra alum donations and enthusiasm from the student body. The other choice is to shut it down and that would be a sad ending to a once storied program (a 70 years ago).
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by glackensghost on Apr 21, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not at all concerned about this
Our new AD from Cleveland State is likely well-prepared to make the tough decisions that will determine the future of the school’s athletics.
Casually.
The New Big East in 2015
Georgetown
Villanova
Providence
St. John’s
Seton Hall
Marquette
DePaul
Notre Dame
Xavier
Dayton
UMass
St. Joes
Good talk.
I agree...
except for ND. I think they will be in the Big 10 or whatever it is called after they expand.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
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by Esteban d' Amur on Apr 20, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah
Notre Dame will go. There’s some misconception that they’re making more money as an independent, but that’s BS. Their TV revenue will double when they join the Big Ten. Tough to disagree with this list beyond that, though. Obviously it’s tough to figure out where folks will go, but that’s pretty sound.
gonzaga
that would be a great travel schedule for them…
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Apr 20, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
i think this sounds
about right
i’d be fine with fusing the better half of the A-10 with the remnants of the big east.
i'm fully ok with this.
this would still be an excellent bball conference.
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by TheYellofAllYells on Apr 20, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Did freeman just accept your challenge?
AFree_15: @Simsity30 @Jvaughn_22 I got the Horse Competition against those @casualhoya losers
I can have oodles of charm when I want to.
lol a horse challenge vs. austin
wonder what kind of odds you’d put on that if you were taking bets lol… prolly like 80-1
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by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Apr 20, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Vaughn sounds like they are going to do it
@AFree_15 haha u tryna do tht competition they was talkn bout last wk?? Yo I’m down we got u me dougherty sims and we need one more
I can have oodles of charm when I want to.
lol at the thought of Sims thinking Casual is michael jordan
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by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Apr 20, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions
My Biggest Concern
No matter what or who gets shifted around, the preservation of the Big East Tournament at Madison Square Garden. Honestly one of the best sporting events I have ever attended.
Way early for this, but if the unmentionable were to occur, it would be sad to see it go in a few years.
as long as st johns is in our league
i would have to imagine it would stay there
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Apr 20, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Unless...
the league becomes the A-10 and can’t sell out the Garden etc.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
Ah, beer, my one weakness. My Achille's heel, if you will. - HJS
by Esteban d' Amur on Apr 20, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Casual's latest tweet
My money is on Sims doing the hot dog eating contest… he’s already said that Regularman’s kryptonite is free food, he won’t be able to resist.
I really hope this challenge actually happens…
by BringBackVee'sHi-topFade on Apr 20, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions
2 paths
1) Hire E’s New Big East, which I think would be a great bball conference.
2) Ivy League – and aside from basketball this pretty much makes sense for all of our athletic programs at this point. Plus I think it’s waaay more comfortable for the powers that be in Healy Hall, and it’s the direction the school is headed in anyway. I think there are far worse fates.
Don't forget
Catholic identity
by DownTheHallFromHollis on Apr 20, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
we wouldnt be the same team/program in either conference
Fewer bids to expanded tourney, less TV exposure, fewer top recruits. Why would JT3 stick around?
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Apr 20, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I was anticipating a forced downgrade...
Ha! Didn’t even realize that 11/12 of those schools were Catholic schools. You think Manhattan College would join up if ND bailed?
by WarmupEwing on Apr 20, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
could even make it a 10 team true conference
with home and homes against everyone.
boeheim said he would retire if cuse moves to big ten. would thompson stick around at georgetown? we would still have the same expenses but a lot less revenue – that practice facility will never happen
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Apr 20, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Ivy league is so not happening.
catholic identity ftw.
High fives only on three pointers.
by TheYellofAllYells on Apr 20, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
esteban -
how far away is nova from becoming a DI-A football school?
They have had success in the DI-AA ranks, is moving up within the realm of possibilities?
nova losing would be horrible for gtown, need at least one traditional big east power with DI-AA football by our side.
Good talk.
There is no desire...
in the short term to move up to DI-A. The football program is comfortable where it is.
Practically speaking, the campus stadium is way too small for D1-A football (it only holds 12,500). Further, no one and I mean no one, goes to the games. Average attendance is about 8,000 and that was in a National Championship year. I live 10 minutes from the stadium and I don’t even go very often. For D1 I think you need to average about 15,000 per game and I am not sure the University wants to spend the kind of money you need to spend at that level.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
Ah, beer, my one weakness. My Achille's heel, if you will. - HJS
by Esteban d' Amur on Apr 20, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
interpret the tweet
who is “big dunks”?
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by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Apr 20, 2010 1:27 PM EDT reply actions
I'd guess Roy
Since Julian’s joking about seeing him from Reston.
Also, fun fact, I once saw Julian going to the Best Buy in Reston back when I lived in Herndon. It was his first year, so I hadn’t seen him play much.
Julian’s definitely the man about the DMV. Unless the dude’s just stalking me….maybe that’s it.
Why so Syracuse?
I might have guessed DaJuan
except they would probably refer to him by his twitter handle
I can have oodles of charm when I want to.
Im gonna guess DaJuan too
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by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Apr 20, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Hold on, slow down.
Did anyone actually read that article? The dude giving all the info is Syracuse’s ex-AD….and he’s completely off his rocker. Four 16-team conferences that will make their own postseason basketball tournament? Seriously doubtful, brah. Dude is out of touch.
The Big East will be fine. Let’s run through the likely scenarios:
-What if we lose Notre Dame? Absolutely nothing falls apart in any way, shape, or form, and it would give us an opportunity to court a quality basketball school like Xavier or UMass
-What if we lose a football school? Add Memphis.
-What if we lose a second football school? Re-add Temple, except as a full member, and include an “Al Golden must be your football coach for the next 25 years” clause.
-What if we lose Pitt, Syracuse, and Rutgers? Then we might be in trouble, but there’s always….uhh….East Carolina?
Bottomline: the way I see it, unless we lose at least three football schools, the Big East will be an outstanding basketball conference (any basketball fans out there that are up for trading Rutgers for Memphis or Temple? Maybe?) and a decent football conference.
by Vee Sanford's Next-door Neighbor on Apr 20, 2010 3:58 PM EDT reply actions
we lose three football schools
it means big ten jumps to 14 teams and ACC, SEC and B12 will do the same.
the rest of the football playing schools will leave and the Big East will be basketball only
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Apr 20, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
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