Who would win Gtown 06-07 vs Gtown 09-10?
So the other day JT3 was asked whether the current batch of Hoyas were playing as well as the Final Four team. His answer was: "Not yet."
It got me thinking, who would win if the Final Four team played the current team?
My thoughts below the jump.
The stats of the two teams appear at the bottom of this post. But looking at individual categories:
1. Defense: Advantage: '07 Hoyas: Jeff Green and Roy Hibbert combined with Sapp, as well as bench players Jeremiah Rivers and Patrick Ewing Jr, could stop teams cold. The current batch has Clark (who is exceptional), Vaughn & Monroe (who are good) and are good on defense but simply not at the same caliber as the 07 team.
2. Offense: Advantage: '10 Hoyas. The current batch has 3-4 players who can score 20+ points on any given night. Freeman is a .500 three point shooter, while Clark is .462 from three point range. Freeman, Wright & Monroe are all capable of creating their own shot and lighting up the opposing team. Beyond that, the '10 Hoyas move the ball around so well and are just incredible at finding and taking a good shot.
The '07 Hoyas depended on Hibbert & Green with Summers, Sapp, or Wallace serving as complementary players, capable of knocking down jump shots and averaging 10 points a game. They were at the top of the league in offensive efficiency, but may have benefitted from the fact that the Princeton Offense was still somewhat new. The '07 Hoyas also commit fewer turnovers than the current batch.
3. Rebounding: Wash. Neither team is particularly great at rebounding, though the 6'11 Monroe averages 3 more rebounds per game than the 7'2" Hibbert. Still the '10 Hoyas are at the bottom of the Big East in rebounding.
4.Bench: '07 Hoyas. Though not terrific, Ewing (who improved significantly in '08), Macklin, and Rivers served significant and useful roles off the bench. Rivers, specifically, was helpful as a very good defensive player when called upon. The '10 Hoyas bench (Benimon and Thompson) have served mostly as an extra set of fouls and to give the starters a breather, though they have generally performed ok in those roles.
5. Poise: '07 Hoyas. The 07 Hoyas were amazingly poised, and always seemed to pull out close games, and come from behind to win games. The '10 Hoyas have had some great moments (for instance UCONN) but there is no question that they have not pulled out some close games when they might have (ODU, Marquette, USF).
So Who wins?
I think the '07 Hoyas would win very narrowly. As good as they are on defense, I could see them contesting shots, frustrating Chris Wright and disrupting the '10 Offense, though Freeman and Monroe would still have significant contributions and even the '07 Hoyas would be unable to stop them. The game would be very close until the final minutes, when Wallace and Green and the poised '07 squad would pull the game out by making clutch shots and free throws.
| '07 Season Averages | ||||||||||||||
| NAME | GM | MIN | PTS | REB | AST | TO | A/T | STL | BLK | PF | FG% | FT% | 3P% | PPS |
| Jeff Green | 37 | 33.3 | 14.3 | 6.4 | 3.2 | 2.6 | 1.2/1 | 0.8 | 1.2 | 2.5 | .513 | .775 | .375 | 1.38 |
| Roy Hibbert | 37 | 26.4 | 12.9 | 6.9 | 1.1 | 1.2 | 1/1.2 | 0.5 | 2.4 | 2.8 | .671 | .686 | .000 | 1.72 |
| Jonathan Wallace | 37 | 32.2 | 11.4 | 2.7 | 3.1 | 2.3 | 1.3/1 | 0.8 | 0.1 | 2.0 | .507 | .872 | .490 | 1.53 |
| DaJuan Summers | 37 | 26.4 | 9.2 | 3.7 | 1.1 | 2.1 | 1/1.9 | 0.8 | 0.6 | 2.1 | .412 | .764 | .331 | 1.29 |
| Jessie Sapp | 37 | 32.8 | 9.1 | 4.0 | 3.5 | 1.8 | 1.9/1 | 1.2 | 0.1 | 2.1 | .424 | .630 | .296 | 1.16 |
| Marc Egerson | 13 | 24.1 | 7.5 | 4.0 | 0.9 | 0.9 | 1/1 | 0.5 | 0.0 | 1.2 | .451 | .730 | .241 | 1.38 |
| Patrick Ewing Jr. | 36 | 14.5 | 4.1 | 2.1 | 1.1 | 0.9 | 1.1/1 | 0.4 | 0.5 | 1.9 | .535 | .535 | .444 | 1.46 |
| Vernon Macklin | 31 | 9.8 | 2.9 | 1.5 | 0.5 | 0.5 | 1/1 | 0.0 | 0.1 | 1.0 | .741 | .435 | .000 | 1.67 |
| Tyler Crawford | 29 | 7.9 | 2.0 | 1.4 | 0.3 | 0.6 | 1/1.8 | 0.3 | 0.0 | 0.9 | .412 | .500 | .385 | 1.16 |
| Jeremiah Rivers | 34 | 11.7 | 1.3 | 1.4 | 0.9 | 0.9 | 1/1 | 0.2 | 0.1 | 0.9 | .391 | .444 | .235 | 0.96 |
| Octavius Spann | 16 | 2.3 | 0.6 | 0.4 | 0.0 | 0.1 | - | 0.1 | 0.0 | 0.3 | .444 | .000 | .500 | 1.00 |
| Sead Dizdarevic | 15 | 1.4 | 0.3 | 0.2 | 0.0 | 0.3 | - | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.2 | .200 | 1.000 | .250 | 1.00 |
| Kenny Izzo | 14 | 1.0 | 0.1 | 0.1 | 0.0 | 0.1 | - | 0.0 | 0.1 | 0.1 | .000 | .500 | .000 | 0.50 |
| Team Averages | 37 | - | 69.1 | 33.8 | 14.7 | 13.4 | 1.1/1 | 5.2 | 5.1 | 16.5 | .505 | .711 | .370 | 1.40 |
| '10 Season Averages | ||||||||||||||
| NAME | GM | MIN | PTS | REB | AST | TO | A/T | STL | BLK | PF | FG% | FT% | 3P% | PPS |
| Austin Freeman | 22 | 34.3 | 16.8 | 3.6 | 2.5 | 2.3 | 1.1/1 | 1.0 | 0.2 | 1.8 | .545 | .831 | .500 | 1.50 |
| Greg Monroe | 22 | 33.9 | 15.5 | 9.6 | 3.2 | 3.2 | 1/1 | 1.5 | 1.7 | 2.5 | .506 | .639 | .238 | 1.37 |
| Chris Wright | 22 | 33.9 | 14.3 | 2.7 | 4.0 | 2.4 | 1.7/1 | 1.5 | 0.4 | 2.2 | .500 | .792 | .346 | 1.39 |
| Jason Clark | 22 | 32.8 | 11.1 | 3.6 | 2.0 | 1.9 | 1/1 | 1.5 | 0.2 | 2.6 | .485 | .771 | .462 | 1.48 |
| Julian Vaughn | 22 | 23.8 | 8.3 | 5.1 | 1.8 | 1.9 | 1/1.1 | 0.3 | 1.8 | 2.1 | .568 | .556 | .250 | 1.38 |
| Hollis Thompson | 22 | 19.6 | 4.0 | 2.6 | 1.2 | 0.8 | 1.4/1 | 0.8 | 0.5 | 2.1 | .420 | .615 | .371 | 1.26 |
| Jerrelle Benimon | 17 | 11.4 | 1.5 | 1.6 | 0.5 | 1.0 | 1/2.1 | 0.2 | 0.4 | 1.7 | .375 | .800 | .250 | 1.56 |
| Henry Sims | 19 | 8.3 | 1.9 | 1.7 | 0.4 | 0.8 | 1/2.1 | 0.2 | 0.6 | 1.1 | .522 | .571 | .000 | 1.57 |
| Nikita Mescheriakov | 7 | 6.3 | 0.9 | 0.3 | 0.3 | 0.6 | 1/2 | 0.0 | 0.1 | 1.6 | .250 | .500 | .200 | 0.75 |
| Vee Sanford | 17 | 4.1 | 0.9 | 0.5 | 0.3 | 0.5 | 1/1.6 | 0.5 | 0.1 | 0.4 | .308 | .875 | .167 | 1.23 |
| Stephen Stepka | 4 | 1.5 | 0.5 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | - | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | .500 | .000 | .000 | 1.00 |
| Ryan Dougherty | 7 | 1.3 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.4 | - | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.4 | .000 | .000 | .000 | - |
| Team Averages | 22 | - | 73.9 | 33.7 | 15.6 | 14.9 | 1.1/1 | 7.5 | 5.5 | 16.5 | .505 | .703 | .403 | 1.41 |
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Wallace had ice in his veins
If you could transplant that into someone with Wright’s athleticism and pure talent…damn…
KBE
definitely
our most poised player is Austin Freeman. I wish he would start demanding the ball when the game is on the line and we need to make a big shot
It's not me, It's you
by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Feb 9, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
That worked well
Against Marquette.
by Vee Sanford's Next-door Neighbor on Feb 9, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
true though his layup with 35 seconds brought it to within one
Also, he had some nice shots (albeit for nought) at the end of the USF game
It's not me, It's you
by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Feb 9, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Is this a joke?
Why don’t you run the numbers on the ‘07 Hoyas football team against this year’s Red Tide. I think it would be close until the end too, when Bama’s poise helps them pull ahead by 150 points.
The ’07 Hoyas were one bad night forJeff Green away from being national champions (not just playing in the title game, winning it). This exercise is madness on a night when we squeak out a win against the freaking Friars.
what did the 07 Hoyas finish the year ranked?
6th, 7th? What are the ’10 Hoyas ranked? 7th.
So, maybe they’re not close (b/c this years team hasnt shown what it can do in the tourney), but if the ‘10 hoyas have a deep tourney run (and there is no reason to think they can’t), then its not a ridiculous comparison. Which is why reporters asked JT3 after the Nova game
It's not me, It's you
by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Feb 9, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
just looked it up they were ranked #8
with 6 losses in the final season rankings. This year’s hoyas are higher ranked than the ‘07 hoyas were prior to the tourney, They are also better on offense, and they have 3 obvious NBA’ers versus 2 obvious NBA’ers on the ’07 hoyas.
It's not me, It's you
by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Feb 9, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Well.
I was prepared to muster more outrage (and I still can, particularly when talking about how the 07 team closed out the season STRONG while this year we’re in February and still muddling along), until I looked at the Kenpom stats and saw a lot of frightening similarities.
THEN
NOW
Now I hate you for making me think of great things because the inevitable disappointment will suck.
stay sinister
hope doesnt work well for you
top teams were a lot better in 2006-07
top 5-loss team was duke at #16 at this point then
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Feb 9, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
interesting
both teams are 4th in effective FG percentage.
I definitely agree with you that ‘07 is better overall b/c this year’s team is very inconsistent, but this year’s team has looked great at times.
It's not me, It's you
by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Feb 9, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
different game
no 3 point, no shot clock
i bet ’82 and ’85 scare the shit out of ’07
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Feb 9, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Not a KU blog
This is the kind of needless argumentation that makes a blog (or series of posts) lame. If you really need to resolve this, find some way to organize a drink off between your class and the current seniors.
Wrong
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2009/oct/22/collins-jayhawks-similar-08-squad/ Shut down.
Besides what else are we supposed to do, snowed in for the last 5 days?
It's not me, It's you
by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Feb 10, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
Schedules
Some have made the point that the 07 Hoyas were hitting their stride at this point. Though true, a look at the schedule tells more. Between January 17th and February 1st, when that team began its 11-game winning streak, they went through the gauntlet of Rutgers, Seton Hall, DePaul, Cincinnati, and St. John’s. What was truly impressive about that ’07 team came in the following games, when they got a tough road win at Louisville, then beat back-to-back ranked teams by 18 points each.
The next four games (@Rutgers, Syracuse, @Louisville, Notre Dame) give this year’s team a chance to establish itself and hit its stride:
4-0 = Final Four potential
3-1 = Sweet Sixteen, maybe Elite Eight
2-2 = Second Round
1-3 = First Round
0-4 = Nightmare.
by Vee Sanford's Next-door Neighbor on Feb 10, 2010 8:29 AM EST reply actions
I am pretty sure that Georgetown has only ever lost in the first round once in history
or at least very rarely.
High fives only on three pointers.
by TheYellofAllYells on Feb 10, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
also
I think it will be very difficult for us to beat Louisville on the road. Road games are just really tough. That doesn’t mean we can’t make a deep run in the tournament.
High fives only on three pointers.
by TheYellofAllYells on Feb 10, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
is this a trick question?
Jeff Green and Hibbert with my grandmother could beat this years team….

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