A Georgetown Fan's Guide to Syracuse v. Michigan State: Who Should You Be Rooting For?
by CasualHoya on Dec 7, 2010 1:01 PM EST
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PrintQuite a few people have asked me recently who they should be rooting for in tonight's game in the Jimmy V Classic featuring Syracuse and Michigan State. It's a very challenging question, because you have to weigh your devotion to the Big East against your eternal hate for Syracuse. On one hand, If Michigan State wins, Big Ten will have an argument that the Big Ten is the best basketball conference in America. Syracuse is currently in the top 10 and expected to compete for the Big East crown, and if they get throttled by Michigan State, it makes us all look bad. On the other hand, if Syracuse beats Michigan State, it will help our RPI come March because we will have swept a team that beat one of the top teams in the country. Many fans of the Big East argue that we must root for our own conference during their out of conference schedule, because it is only going to improve our resumes in the long run. It is definitely a tough choice, and I understand both sides of the argument. But, like any argument, you ultimately have to be on one side and stick to it.
After The Jump, I have to make a decision on who to root for tonight.
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Die 'cuse
I’m going to go stick a knife in an Orange
Under no circumstance
Will Dikembe root for cuse
by who will sex dikembe tonight on Dec 7, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Srsly.
I hate those people that “root for the Big East”. Bull. I hate Cuse and I hate Nova and I wish them and their fanbases nothing but pain and misery. I’m not going to root for you ever even if you play Duke (I won’t be rooting for Duke…just the meteor in that case).
Cuse/Nova NEVER!
I’m still bitter that the luckiest f***ing night in Nova history cost me and my mates a chance to score as pre-arranged with some of KU’s finest belles for the inevitable post-game Hoya victory party in Lexington back in ‘85. That said, we would have had to pull it off in a hotel room being shared by 14 people ("Housekeeping? Yes, we’d like ANOTHER cot and four pillows please")…
Orange-hate is just a given…a glorious gift eternally passed on through successive generations of Saxans.
"Joy to the fishies in the deep blue sea..."
"YES!" (in a Marv Albert voice)
We met some local KU ladies during pre-game dinner who were all excited about coming to the “winning” hotel and “experiencing” the joy of victory that being 21 point favorites would surely bring. They “promised” to make it worth our while in return for an invite and place to crash (does that qualify as a “guarantee”???). You also should know (for context and the historical record) that the post-game semi-final victory party over the arch-nemisis Johnnies ended up with 500 semi-clothed Hoyas in the enclosed courtyard hotel pool along with much furniture. We figured if the party was that good for a semis win, there was no way we weren’t going to score with a banner in our pocket.
Guess we’ll never know since we ended up “alone” at the hotel Monday night with 500 other distraught and hung-over Hoyas while some Wildcat douches probably got laid instead.
"Joy to the fishies in the deep blue sea..."
'Twas
but at least I have a story I can tell the grandkids someday (provided their Grandma isn’t in the room).
"Joy to the fishies in the deep blue sea..."
I want the Big East to have 10 losses out of conference each year
And I want Cuse to have all of them.
Unless they are playing Duke, in which case i hope the stadium falls down.
"That is crap. It is unfair."
by Iwillpaytheway!! on Dec 7, 2010 1:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I just registered
And I had to check a box agreeing to hate Jim Boeheim for all eternity with the fire of a thousand suns (or something like that). To root for anyone besides MSU in tonight’s game would go against the checking of the aforementioned box, to say nothing of my own moral compass. Ergo, Spartans.
by (S)he who is brave on Dec 7, 2010 2:03 PM EST reply actions
Gotta root for the BE
With one exception: Syracuse. And UConn. I guess that’s two exceptions. The best part is, when they lose, you get to mock them for losing, and be angry at them for letting the conference down. When Syracuse loses, everyone wins.
What are these assertions!?
disagree about UConn, but that's just a personal thing
I root against Syracuse in every game they play
Seems to be a lot of disagreement about who to hate additionally in BE play.
More of a WVU anti-fan myself, but that’s just based on the jerkhole fans from the BET last year.
Why so Syracuse?
Yeah
Everyone hates Syracuse and X. I hate Nova from having to grow up near campus surrounded by constant reminders of 1985 and having some of my worst experiences as a fan due to them. Only fistfight I got in as a kid was with a Nova fan in my class. I won.
Ever since Ray Allen wrecked my saturday night on Spring Break
when I was 14, I have had no love for Uconn
by Coach K's kneepads on Dec 7, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
that's fair
the reason i grew up loving college basketball was UConn (being from CT).
Got into the Hoyas as soon as I was accepted and had season tickets all 4 years, etc — but I still cheer for Huskies when it doesn’t hurt us at all.
To be clear, though – if we are fighting with them for position in the BE — I want them to lose every game.
I also grew up in Conn.
Hating the Huskies. I wasn’t a basketball fan at all before coming to GU, but hated Calhoun, Geno, and the fact that they were constantly taking up space on the Register’s sports page when I was looking for other stuff.
What are these assertions!?
by DHB Enterprises on Dec 7, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
High School Hockey
I was in high school for the same four years Taurasi was at UConn. Picking up the paper in the morning to see if my school was still ranked number one, and being greeted by her face, was not pleasant.
What are these assertions!?
by DHB Enterprises on Dec 7, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I root against every single football playing member of the Big East...
…in every non-conference game. The Big East will always be a good conference, a couple of teams losing here and there won’t significantly affect Georgetown’s RPI, especially given the OOC schedule they have been playing the last few years.
I like to see non-football playing schools do well because for better or worse, the fate of Georgetown resides in the collective appeal of the ""Catholic schools."
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
The enemy of our enemy is our friend.
Besides, I’ll take a hobbled 6-2 MSU over a perfect Syracuse any day.
"The enemy is like a woman, weak in face of opposition..." - St. Ignatius
this is possible
though usually i roll with Glee on DVR, which has worked just fine until they started messing with my fast forward efficiency with those commercials starring the cast that aren’t really part of the show
Casually.
so irritating
but clever. I am sure that is done intentionally. Similar to the Bravo TV shows and their strange 30-seconds-we’reback-ohwaitnowearen’t
i noticed this on the ultimate fighter
hey…its better than glee
Casual will be attending a high school reunion
Rather than having a casual weekend in Memphis
by itsallthatmatters on Dec 7, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Will you be having a casual weekend in NYC?
Blip
by JahidiLikesPie on Dec 7, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Casual is from Jersey
So, like 90% of Gtown students, he’ll say it is in NYC but it will actually be in Montclair.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
ill be in nyc for memphis game
pourhouse where all the cool kids go?
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Dec 8, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Cutting off our nose to spite our face
I want Syracuse to win. I shall not root for them, but we want them to win. Simply because it benefits US. A Syracuse that is undefeated will fall only harder when we destroy the Orange after the new year. They will also perhaps meet us again in the Final Four, at which time yet AGAIN they shall enjoy the privilege of being humiliated on national television.
Would I root for Syracuse to win the national championship against Mich State? Absolutely not!! But as long as it benefits us, let the Orange win. For now…
the "benefit" is MEANINGLESS
will there ever be a point where georgetown doesnt get into tournament or gets lower seed because syracuse lost to msu?
NO
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Dec 7, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
this
marginal benefits are NOT worth seeing a Syracuse fan smile and seeing them stay in the top 10 (what a joke!)
A Syracuse smile is the best kind to slap off a face.
I shake my finger.
by Boubacar? Aw! on Dec 7, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
I'll spit on their grave like the next person...
Have and will continue to do so.
But if our conference’s teams lose our big non-conference games to teams that eventually suck, do you know who we are…
THE BIG EAST IN FOOTBALL.
by ROOBEN BAUM SHA BAUM on Dec 7, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
speaking of which
MSU is a 3.5 pt favorite over ‘cuse for todays game. Sounds like a great bet to me, but I’ll defer to the resident expert for the pick…
the great bet being
to bet on michigan, if that wasnt clear
MSU wins by 8
Close game until last 2 minutes, end of game foul shots give Michigan state the win
Take No Prisoners, especially if they wear Orange.
by hoyabballownsall on Dec 7, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
tough to pass up Cuse and the 3.5 in the Garden..
you’ve got a nice margin of error even with an errant 3.
by take the points on Dec 7, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
I will root for Syracuse
Fuck Michigan State, honestly.
When I was watching Duke vs MSU my best good buddy (a Maryland alum and super fan) said “I hate myself for this but I’m rooting for Duke. ACC, bro.”
His eloquence swayed me.
Now, if Syracause loses I’m not really going to lose sleep over it, but it would be better for us if they win.
High fives only on three pointers.
by TheYellofAllYells on Dec 7, 2010 4:50 PM EST reply actions
you need to explain yourself a lot more than "fuck msu"
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Dec 7, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
you're right.
It’s a question of the strength of our conference. The more wins we have the better we all look. Like it or not, we all get painted with the same brush by the media. I hope that every Big East team wins every non conference game they play. Even the much hated dooshes from Syracuse.
High fives only on three pointers.
by TheYellofAllYells on Dec 7, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
it's emotion vs logic
I know it’s sports. And don’t get me wrong I HATE Syracuse with the fire of 1,000 suns…. but they are a top 4 program in our league and I like it when the Big East is the biggest, baddest mo fo around.
High fives only on three pointers.
by TheYellofAllYells on Dec 7, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Your best friend
Is a Maryland alum? Obviously you have questionable judgment.
What are these assertions!?
by DHB Enterprises on Dec 7, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
I have absolutely no beef with Tom Izzo
I usually root for Michigan State out of conference. No fucking way I would root for Boeheim over Izzo.
My handle used to be Jeff Green's Dad, but it was confusing and creepy, namely because I am not his dad. My new handle is JGD. I am trim and in charge.
by JGD on Dec 7, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
but would you root for the Big East over the Big Ten?
because that’s the question here.
High fives only on three pointers.
by TheYellofAllYells on Dec 7, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Sometimes
But it isn’t cut and dry.
Pitt vs Mich St – Pitt
Syracuse vs Mich St – Syracuse
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by JGD on Dec 7, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
lets put it this way
If Syracuse wins it’s good for Georgetown Basketball
if Michigan State wins it’s good for Georgetown FANS
So really it’s a win win.
High fives only on three pointers.
by TheYellofAllYells on Dec 7, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
I mean Michigan State
With the Cuse v Michigan State
Whether Syracuse loses tonight will have absolutely no bearing on our tournament seeding, because losing to another top 10 team doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme of things. So its only upside if they lose.
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by JGD on Dec 7, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
disagree, kinda
syracuse winning is not good for gtown basketball. it means nothing for georgetown basketball. the conference is strong enough as it is.
this isnt like george mason beating unc.
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Dec 7, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
you can't say
it’s NOT good. You can say the marginal goodness of it isn’t enough to make you want to root for them ever. Which is fine. You may be right.
I’m just hoping everyone has a good time.
High fives only on three pointers.
by TheYellofAllYells on Dec 7, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
fair point
good times shall be reserved for thursday night
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Dec 7, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
i hope they both play terribly
Syracuse loses by a final score of 20-19 and they both drop out of the top 10
This:
by hoyamarlin on Dec 7, 2010 5:14 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
this should have won the pulitzer for blog post of the millenium
or at least the nobel peace prize
Casually.
Fair enough
Does the Boeheim exception apply to ex-girlfriends? I.e., the one you wish would fail at life and marry the human equivalent of Jabba the Hut? Cause then I got like 10 Boeheim exceptions to use…
I shake my finger.
by Boubacar? Aw! on Dec 7, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Utterly sensible
There’s 14 other BE teams that can go out an win one for the conference for all I care.
only one exception then
I wonder how often it has to be your archenemy. Or is that in fact the definition of the archenemy – the one you use the exception with?
I guess it depends if the hatred is rooted in the school or the man (see the author’s Boeheim to Huggins conversion). So much as I despise Calhoun, I can’t waste my exception there – it has to be for Cuse. Even when Boeheim is gone.
KBE
Honestly
I root for every other BE team in out of conference. But I fucking hate Syracuse
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by JGD on Dec 7, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
My Syracuse Hate may not abate
When Boeheim’s gone, but it will take a HUGE hit.
I hate the way he works the media, from the AO injury silence so they kept their seed to the way he’s pushing Melo’s right before they play a team they might actually lose to.
Why so Syracuse?
hit that on the head
What makes Boeheim so despicable is how damn effective he is.
it's amusing
how much their fans assume continued success without their HOF coach. Smooth sailing under Hopkins…sure…we’ve worn that t-shirt, and it was not pleasant.
KBE
former player, long time assistant and lead recruiter taking over reigns of historic program from HOF coach? never heard of that before.
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Dec 7, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
I hate Georgetown and all you bastards as well. But you certainly are perceprive, and agree SU will be heading down a long dark, bad recruit trail when Boeheim leaves.
It is Christmas time though, so I got a message from Rakeem, “HoHoHo!” So go take a math test and enjoy your gray, unused balls!
HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT ABOUT MY BALLS
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by JGD on Dec 8, 2010 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
Boubakar Aw, my balls!!!
Oh, the Idiocracy!
Rooting for MSU
because I choose emotion over logic. If it’s all about logic, what’s the point of rooting? Not like me yelling obscenities at my TV is going to affect the outcome anyway.
by who will sex dikembe tonight on Dec 7, 2010 6:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
brought a tear to my eye
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Dec 7, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
don't be so sure of that
I have a proven record of amount of car bombs consumed to wins at home games.
I’m not saying it’s 100% me… maybe 97%
High fives only on three pointers.
by TheYellofAllYells on Dec 7, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
This is the most pointless article ever written on this blog
I’d cheer for the East German Fighting Hitlers before I’d cheer for the Orange.
by Hoya Annoya on Dec 7, 2010 6:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
To borrow from Winston Churchill:
If Syracuse was playing in hell I would put in a good word for Coach Satan.
"The enemy is like a woman, weak in face of opposition..." - St. Ignatius
By the way
A few of us will be at iron horse watching the game.
CyberSalsaKing
by wadetandy on Dec 7, 2010 8:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
hoping memphis pulls off the win
but neither kansas or memphis are impressing me.
Memphis is terrible at defending the perimeter: lets hope our guys come out accurate from beyond the arc.
If you laugh, you think, and you cry...that's a full day. That's a heck of a day.
Jimmy V the best
Casually.
by CasualHoya on Dec 7, 2010 8:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Absolutely the best
Always my favorite part of Jimmy V week in the most heart wrenching way.
"Basketball fights last two punches. Make sure you throw both of them." - John Thompson Jr.
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Watching the pregame,
seeing the orange fans… hearing them talk about it, I just decided that I am 100% rooting for Michigan State.
SPARTY
High fives only on three pointers.
by TheYellofAllYells on Dec 7, 2010 8:52 PM EST reply actions
by the way
Memphis is big and athletic as hell. Tough game comin up fellas.
High fives only on three pointers.
by TheYellofAllYells on Dec 7, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
terrible decision making, soft, and don’t play good D. Doubt that changes much in 2 weeks as they play cupcakes.
by hoyasincebirth on Dec 7, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
short on time
but JTII got two shout outs in Wilbons last sports column for the post. In today’s paper. Holla!
by iheartgregmonroe on Dec 7, 2010 9:47 PM EST reply actions
I honestly have a hard time rooting for any BE teams. I blame this mostly on reading too many messageboards. dealing with the worst of every BE teams fan bases turns you off most of their programs.
not sure i can root for any of the teams if i think about it too much. If I start thinking about past games and message board fans it gets hard.
Better question
Duke v. Syracuse for a national championship.
Assume the Hoyas beat both in the regular season but flamed out in the tournament.
Who do you bet on/root for? Or do you drop your television into an ocean?
Cursing Craig for leaving us 21 wins behind the bastards....
by PerryMcDonald'sRightCross on Dec 7, 2010 9:52 PM EST reply actions
duke
I dont want ’cuse to be regarded as having the best history in the big east.
Duke
Not even a question.
What are these assertions!?
by DHB Enterprises on Dec 7, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
Duke v Syracuse NC Game...
Root for the meteor/earthquake/volcano/etc.
by sanityonleave on Dec 8, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
'cuse is cutting up msu so far
they dont know how to handle that zone
in izzo i trust
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Dec 7, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
If I'm perfectly honest...
The one thing that worries me about Syracuse is their size. They seem like a pretty long team, and I’m somewhat concerned about Juju the Magical Foul Machine against Rick Jackson.
This blows. Going to watch Glee.
Casually.
by CasualHoya on Dec 7, 2010 10:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Michigan State is awful
Casually.
by CasualHoya on Dec 7, 2010 11:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Dickie V is even worse
"That is crap. It is unfair."
by Iwillpaytheway!! on Dec 7, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
yah
only upside is that duke might not be as good as they looked
cuse zone looked good tonight
michigan state did not prepare well. like they never faced a zone before.
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Dec 7, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
go back to glee
nothing to see here
night all
Thank god CW has experience
Playing point against it.
Why so Syracuse?
by HoyaJoker07 on Dec 7, 2010 11:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
msu fired up awful shots
was painful to watch. good win at home for cuse
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Dec 7, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta love having a home
that’s over 200 miles from your actual home.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Dec 7, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
dont you find it weird
that your first comment after your team wins is on a GEORGETOWN BLOG. you have some serious issues.
and yes, msg is a home arena for cuse when playing vs msu.
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Dec 7, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Is it true
Syracuse doesnt have a true away game until the second week of January? Nice scheduling. You guys need to come out of the womb or it will hurt you in March.
Have fun with 0-7 Colgate…
Bring back Don Reid
by Insidious Rex on Dec 8, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Roy Hibbert best person alive, says pope.
Hoya2aPacer If there is a lock out I will def b practicing w/ the gtown team. Be on the white team n do scout. Help those guys get better. Stay in shape
Why so Syracuse?
MSU did suck it up in that game, but WOW
This league is very, well, I’m very scared," Boeheim said. "I’d rather keep playing these teams. There are 10 or 11 teams in the Big East that are very scary. The whole country slid, but we haven’t slid as much. Players leaving early means that it won’t be like it was before. There’s a lot of balance and the top teams aren’t that much better.
Hope Tom Izzo likes being lumped in with Canisius.
Why so Syracuse?
Please note the documented winning pick from last night's game
tough to pass up Cuse and the 3.5 in the Garden..
you’ve got a nice margin of error even with an errant 3.
by take the points on Dec 7, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
by take the points on Dec 8, 2010 11:29 AM EST reply actions
when I am wrong
I am wrong. ’Cuse surprised tonight.
Only going to enhance our RPI when we juice you.
Michigan State made me sick to my stomach last night
A sad performance
by VictorPage'sLeftEye on Dec 8, 2010 5:22 PM EST reply actions
“It takes only the mildest interest in college basketball to know that Syracuse under Jim Boeheim has been a perennial contender for the national championship.”
That seems to be rather loose use of “perennial” and “contender.”
What are these assertions!?
I also think
The writer misses the point. The reason the zone is effective is that forces you to shoot threes. And when you end up taking lots of threes, many of them by guys who are not great shooters, you end up with lower percentages. You don’t want to settle for threes against the zone, you want to attack it. If you get complacent and jack up three pointers, chances are many of them will be bad ones.
Of course, when you have four dead eye three point shooters in your starting lineup, you may be able to punish the zone by scoring on the shots they give you. Which is something we’ll hopefully see at least twice this year.
What are these assertions!?
by DHB Enterprises on Dec 8, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
agree
the threes teams take against cuse zone are also rushed and often a result of desperate lobs over the zone. crisp passing to middle and out and around can open up unguarded threes, or layups via the baseline. pass through the zone, not over it.
that being said, i think georgetown’s problem against cuse will be preventing second chance points. jackson is having a dejuan blair-like presence in the paint.
plenty of time to prepare. worry about temple now.
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Dec 8, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Good points about the zone^^^
One thing that I found interesting is that JB adjusts the zone to force shots from certain areas on the court.
For instance, he’ll extend towards the top & invite corner shots, mostly because the percentages are lower from those spots. In studying a team’s tendencies, he’ll see where their shooters have the highest number of makes, then adjust accordingly.
The wildcard for you guys this season is Jason Clark, IMO. Wright & Freeman will “get theirs”, but if Clark continues at this level, then honestly you’ll be tough to beat.
I just threw up in my mouth a little writing that……….
Despite belief we can find a way to beat it...
Cuse Zone most terrifying looking defense in college ball. I swear it feels like there are extra orange jerseys out there. It’s an effing wall.
And yeah, if you could ask Rick Jackson to cool it, that would be great.
Actually, can we collect money at the gamewatch tonight to send the young man some cupcakes?
Why so Syracuse?
Send 'em my way...
I’ll make sure he gets them. No….seriously!! :)
send them chipoltle burritos
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Dec 9, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
I actually stopped eating Chipotle
Because of that story. Since, you know, I have so much important stuff to do everyday that I need to be in top form…right.
Why so Syracuse?
What exactly is the Chipotle story?
Or is this an instance where ignorance is bliss?
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
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