State of the Hoyas: How Deep is Your Love?
First, in recognition of an incredible preseason performance, some pre-conference Sleepy Awards for the Georgetown Hoyas.
MVP -- Chris Wright. No contest in my mind. Chris has fully taken over the team and moved from a talented, erratic player into a talented poised leader. Without Chris we lose two or three more games in the preseason. Another way of looking at it, is my pulse and blood pressure are always steady when Chris is in the game this year. When he's on the bench, as much as i love the potential of Markel Starks, both pulse and blood pressure spike to dangerous heights. Chris -- keep the Hoyas winning and one, not the, old Hoya alive.
(More Sleepy Awards Following the Jump)
MCP --(Most Casual Player) Austin Freeman. Austin is a huge talent who has found every way to exploit all of his ability this year. Best pure shooter in college basketball. Deceptively quick first step and strong going to the hoop. Good passer and the rare scorer who almost never takes a bad shot. Second best point guard on the team. Look at the late second half when CW needed a break against Memphis. Austin took the point and expertly ran the team for two important minutes.
Most Improved -- Chris Wright. Controversial choice in an otherwise totally predictable awards post. Henry has improved beyond anyone's wildest dreams. But Chris Wright is a totally different player this year, a better player and his improvement is the most important element of this year's success.
All Madden Team --Julian Vaughn, Nate Lubick, Jerrelle Benimon, Henry Sims and Jason Clark. These guys will outwork any five in the country and are all learning the art of making their fouls count particularly in the lane.
Greg Monroe Who Dat? award --Julian Vaughn and Henry Sims. Greg gave us 16.1 ppg, 9.6 rebounds, 3.2 assists, 1.7 blocks and 3.2 turnovers. Julian and Henry are giving us 14.3 ppg, 11.8 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 2.9 blocks 3.3 turnovers.
The fairer version of Greg Monroe Who Dat? award -- Julian basically played center last year to Monroe's power forward. So it's probably more relevant to compare him to our power forwards. Hollis, Jerrelle and Nate are giving us 14.8 ppg, 10.7 rebounds, 3 assists, .9 blocks and 2.7 turnovers per game. Are we a better team without Greg? Who has time to answer hypothetical questions like this? Are we a better team this year? Absolutely based on the preseason.
Best Freshman --Nate Lubick. No question here. Tough guy who contributed from day one on the boards, defensively and being a positive force in the offense.
Most likely to breakout in Big East Play -- Vee Sanford. The kid just does something positive every time he steps on the court. He's shooting 75 percent from 3 point range and averages a steal a game in less than 9 minutes of playing time.
Coach of the Year -- JT III. Took on a tough schedule and made enough tweaks in his philosophy to take advantage of a very talented team.
Best you only get one chance to make a first impression award --Moses Ayegba. Grand entry from the epic named Moses into college basketball.
The deepest Team in college basketball -- Georgetown Hoyas --12 deep and a 10-11 man rotation with very little drop-off in talent, experience or performance. A coach's dream.
The last award brings us to our history section of this week's State of the Hoyas. Is this year's team the deepest in Georgetown's history?
There are a lot of ways to judge this as there are an infinite way to manipulate data. Certainly it's the deepest team in JTIII's era. The last few years have seen 7-8 man rotations based on exceptional talent of the starters and some serious drop off on the bench talent. In 2006-2007, Thompson, when the team was healthy, did utilize a ten man rotation. But that was the exception to the rule until this year.
JT Jr. made a philosophy of using a 9-10 man rotation as a integral part of startegy, without a lot of regard to the talent on the bench. His all out attacking style meant players got minutes whether they were very good players or not. If you could run, press, bang and play defense you got to play. In the late 70's and through the eighties. That meant a lot of playing time for limited talents like Tom Scates, Grady Mateen,, Ralph Dalton and yes Craig Esherick.
His deepest team based on distribution of minutes was the national championship team of 1983-84. Led by Patrick Ewing, these Hoyas went 10 men deep, that is 10 players who average more than 9 minutes per game. The national champions had five guys who averaged at least 9 points per game, with Ewing leading the team at 16.4.
Another way to look at is to look at the back of the rotation. The back of the rotation that year was Fred Brown, Horace Broadnax, Ralph Dalton and Michael Graham. Brown was a highly touted point guard out of NY who had his minutes squeezed in the championship year by sophomore Michael Jackson. Broadnax was an all purpose backup guard who went on to coach Savannah State. Dalton, was a space eater who rebounded and committed hard fouls. Michael Graham became a key player late in the season with his athleticism and intimidating play. This was a very deep team in terms of playing time and minutes.
The 2010-11 Hoya's are just as deep when it comes to minutes. We have 10 players in the rotation that average at least nine minutes per game. By the end of the year its conceivable that Moses could also join that group. This year's team has 5 guys averaging over 8.5 ppg with the rebounding, assists, steals and blocked shots distributed more evenly that the 1984 Hoyas.
Looking at the back of the rotation, there is a lot of talent. Markel Starks, Vee Sanford, Jerelle Bennimon and Henry Sims are serious players with a lot of upside. I'd love to see a game between the second five of 2011 vs. the second five of 1984. In fact, i'd like to see the first teams go out it also.
Total production from the bench is very similar. The national champs got 22.7ppg, 11.4 rebounds and 7 assists per game. This year's Hoya get about 17 ppg,11.4 rebounds and 6.5 assists.
So who's deeper? A case can be made for both. I come down ultimately on this year's team for a specific reason. Both have great players, excellent starters and talented and versatile backups. But the systems are very different . JT Jr's teams were based on defense, attacking, rebounding and most of all effort. Somewhat limited players like the great Gene Smith could thrive in the chaos created on the defensive end. And because the defense created much of the offense, players like Smith could contribute on the floor despite limited offensive skills.
JTIII's teams are different. This is a relatively complex offense that relies on reads and reactions. There is no place to hide on the offensive end if you don't have the skills and judgement to play his offense. And, if one guy is out of synch, it can bring the whole system down. In short, there is no place to hide a player with limited skills. That's why JTIII's teams generally use the bench less. Since the current reserves are asked to do more on the offensive end, I think that gives them a slight edge on bench strength.
Giving a slight nod to this years team comes with an caveat. The real season begins tonight and that might squeeze the minutes at the back of the rotation. I love our rotation, and the season will reveal just how deep we are. But at worst, this is the deepest team we've had since 1984 and in 1984 Walter Mondale won one state and the Georgetown Hoyas were national champions.
Stay Casual, my friends.
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Good comment on the bench
I think though where this years bench falls short is a reliable offensive producer. Of Lubick, Starks, Benimon, and Henry, you really cant count on any for offense. It has been Vee, he is the only one where I fell comfortable with him generating his own shot. But he has not been getting the mintues.
Benimon has gotten a lot better
He has been able to drive into lane and finish, improving every game he gets in. The nice thing about princetown offense is that it creates open looks, which has really benefited Sims. You are correct that none of those guys except Vee are prolific scorers, they can all play the offense and finish on an open look. They fit the system. Plus there will rarely be a time when there aren’t at least 2 members of the trinity on the court.
Take No Prisoners, especially if they wear Orange.
by hoyabballownsall on Dec 29, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
Shocked by Benimon's offense
He may not be creating his own shot all that often, but he can be trusted with a dish below the basket and that’s a huge threat. In fact, I don’t know the numbers, but I bet he’s been nearly 100% in that situation. Goes up SO strong.
Why so Syracuse?
Big East Defenders
Our bench is not going to be making the same drives against quality defenders. The bench matched shots against the starters of Loyola (md) and that is a big difference from being able to play against the talent of conference players.
After watching Providence give Cuse a scare last night, the big east has serious talent on every team. Outside of Vee, I can’t see the bench doing anything more than pulling down boards (which will be a significant contribution).
The bench guys don’t have the speeds, handles, or inside moves to score against solid defenders. They are going to get stripped all day inside if they hold the ball for more than a quick pass.
Section 101.
by RileysDressLikeAHoyaJersey on Dec 29, 2010 10:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Also, bruising terribly undervalued
I for one, will take Benimon’s opportunistic offense in exchange for knocking people on their ass on the defensive end.
by More like Awesome Freeman on Dec 29, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Intimidation factor
Most important contribution of guys like Vaughn, Benimon, Lubick and Sims. They play with their hands up and block a lot of shots, especially as the game progresses.
Take No Prisoners, especially if they wear Orange.
by hoyabballownsall on Dec 29, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
1984
Gremlins, Ghostbusters, Karate Kid, Terminator, Nightmare on Elm Street, Sixteen Candles all released
Georgetown Hoyas were national champions
Casually.
In order, best to worst
Hoya NC – Historic
Ghostbusters, best quote “Everything was fine until dickless here shut off the power grid. Mayor – Is this true? – Venkeman – Its true, this man has no dick.”
Karate Kid – sweep the leg
Terminator – Steroids and Arnold > peanut butter and chocolate
Sixteen Candles – Dong, where is my automobile?
Gremlins – Scared the crap out of me when I saw it in the theater
Elm Street – Never saw until much older, plus I find horror kind of boring
by bunk moreland on Dec 29, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Ghostbusters Top Quote
has to be:
I’m Winston Zeddmore, Your Honor. I’ve only been with the company for a couple of weeks, but these things are real. Since I joined these men, I’ve seen shit that’ll turn you white
by itsallthatmatters on Dec 29, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Best movie line ever
Michael Douglas in Romancing the Stone, finding himself in a good place after sliding through the mud with Katherine Ross, “I can tell this is going to be a great day!”
Well . . .
Watched Polar Express and Mary Poppins with the grandkids. Tron Legacy is awesome!
Bench
I agree that we need to take a wait and see approach in regards to the bench’s ability to contribute offensively in conference play. However, I would not downplay Hank’s contribution on the offensive side. Even if his moves are not yet as reliable as JuJu’s, he has been a big facilitator. He has been doing a great job of looking over the defense and finding cutters and 3 point shooters on kick outs. I would like to see him make more aggressive moves and go to his hook(er) in the lane more, but will take him creating shots and finding the open man.
I agree
I think Hank is a positive contributor on offense. I feel surprisingly calm when he is in the game and believe he will make the right reads consistently.
My handle used to be Jeff Green's Dad, but it was confusing and creepy, namely because I am not his dad. My new handle is JGD. I am trim and in charge.
In case anyone is insufficiently terrified for tonights game...
I invite you to look at the comparative stats here: http://hoyahoops.com/2010/12/29/notre-dame-preview-4/
by More like Awesome Freeman on Dec 29, 2010 10:44 AM EST reply actions
I just looked at their schedule, wanting to denigrate their level of competition. However, they have beaten Georgia, Cal, Wisconsin, and Gonzaga. Their only loss is to Kentucky. They do not have quaility road wins like us, but this game isn’t on the road for them, is it?
Should be a good game. I think ND will finish the conference higher than UCONN.
That loss to Kentucky might be key
Kentucky likes to run/pressure and is athletic. That appears to have blitzed ND, so maybe it can work for us too
by More like Awesome Freeman on Dec 29, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
quote of the post
Real season begins tonight!
Take the game to them on their homecourt. Their rotation is 6-7 ours is 10-11. Push the pace within the offense and pressure them the entire court on D. Lubick needs to put abromitis on his ass twice in the first 3 minutes.
I want to see the tears of the hansbro flow once again!
Screw them and their self-important fans!!
Blip
by JahidiLikesPie on Dec 29, 2010 10:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions
south bend pregame today
At the blarney stone – casual swag has been transported for the occasion
by MassHoya on Dec 29, 2010 12:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
How Deep Is Your Bench?
Not sure if Sleepy was privy to the lyrical musings of Hire Esherick before the naissance of this casual blog, but this rings back to the infamous “How Deep Is Your Bench” revision of the Bee Gees classic which I had the personal pleasure of hearing performed live by a casual duo who will remain nameless.
Thanks for the memories!
by Beast of the BE on Dec 29, 2010 5:11 PM EST reply actions

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