Sleeping With The Enemy: The Duke Blue Devils
I hate Duke. There, I said it.
Now that I got that out of the way (and it felt pretty damn good), even though I can't stand the program and all it stands for, this Duke team is one of the top teams in the country and will be one of Georgetown's most formidable opponents all season. Make no bones about it - these guys can play. As Grenade Week continues here at the GLOBAL PHENOMENON, here's an inside look into the world of Blue Devils hoops courtesy of Crazie Talk, the only legitimate Duke blog (or message board) on the internet. Crazie Talk, this Miller Lite is for you. After you're done reading this opus, check out Crazie Talk for our answers to their questions. As an aside, given the way things have gone lately for him, I hope Obama will be rooting for Duke. Away we go...

As the Evil Empire and with the full backing of ESPN, Duke is usually the biggest game for every school they play. With so much intensity and stress during the regular season, why has Duke played so poorly in the postseason recently?
It has nothing to do with intensity and stress during the regular season. Duke has not had a "complete" basketball team since the program's last Final Four run in 2004. The lack of a dynamic point guard and legitimate post threat has been the main reasons for Duke's failure to advance past the Sweet Sixteen for five straight years. Recruiting woes have made these glaring holes even more visible, and while Duke has done just fine performing in the regular season over the past few years, relying too much on the three point shot and an inability to get easy baskets has cost Duke dearly over the past five seasons.
What can Georgetown expect out of this year's Duke squad? Who are the top scorers? Rebounders?
For the first time in several years, this team is multi-dimensional. We have three legitimate scoring threats in Smith, Singler, and Scheyer. Each of those three can shoot from the outside and create their own shot off the dribble. Jon was the offensive star of the non-conference slate, including a 31 point performance against Iowa State in his hometown Chicago. However, Nolan has been a force in conference play, averaging nearly 19 points per game in 6 ACC games. Kyle has been up and down as far as scoring goes, but is a vital part of our offensive flow no matter what.
After the big three, we've had several different players in supporting roles, including the Plumlee brothers, sophomore Miles and freshman Mason. They are both athletic and energetic on the glass, aiding seniors Lance Thomas and Brian Zoubek in that area. We are currently going about seven deep, with freshmen Andre Dawkins and Ryan Kelly playing spot minutes as they get used to ACC competition.
More with Duke after The Jump:
John Feinstein ran a piece on his horrifically ugly website detailing the problems that Duke faces and one of the big ones is that they have not lived up to the level of excellence that K established early. Does K get a free pass forever or will people other than the now-exiled Feinstein remain quiet?
Personally, I think Feinstein is somewhat of an entitled prick. That said, I believe that he does make valid points with respect to the fact that the Duke program has failed to live up to the level of excellence established by Coach K nearly twenty years ago. However, he attributes these failings to Coach K's coaching of the Olympic team.
While some like Feinstein might believe it has hurt the program overall, many close to the program feel that the Olympics were the best thing that could have possibly happened for Coach K. The struggles of the past five years can be traced down to recruiting. The ridiculous number of high-profile misses (Greg Monroe included) coupled with the early round exits in the Big Dance, could have lent to the thought that Coach K was on a slippery slope.
As with almost every sport, college basketball runs in cycles. Duke struggled for the most part in the early 80's, and then went to four straight Final Fours, winning two consecutive national titles. Then, six years later, Krzyzewski assembled one of the greatest teams ever to never win a title in 1998-1999, and eventually went on to win another national title in 2001.
These past five years have probably been the toughest of Krzyzewski's career. But it is really hard to imagine Coach K, rejuvenated by his Olympic experiences, not being able to piece it together for one last shot at a fourth national championship.
Clearly Coach K goes down as one of college basketball's great coaches. But the adage of great players making coaches look better seems to apply doubly or triply to him - for instance, in years when he has the best player in college basketball (Laettner, Jay Williams, Elton Brand), his teams make deep runs in the tournament. In contrast, even with a team full of highly regarded high school prospects, early tournament flameouts are common. Is Duke recruiting the caliber of athletes that it needs to?

First of all, the phrase "deep runs in the tournament" is relative. As is "early tournament flameouts." Prior to the 2006-07 season we had advanced to at least the Sweet 16 for nine straight years. Two of the players you mentioned played during that span-Brand and Battier, who themselves were elite recruits. Other than that, our teams have made Coach K look great. And he'd be the first to tell you that. So I'm pretty sure that adage just ‘seems' to apply doubly or triply to him. Not many coaches have three national titles, 10 Final Fours, and an Olympic gold medal in their trophy case. Maybe lightning strikes twice for bad coaches, (read: Billy Donovan) but Coach K has proven that he's a winner no matter who is on the roster.
As far as recruiting goes, we have certainly had some disappointments in the last five years, particularly with the class of 2005: McRoberts and Paulus weren't the dynamic duo we thought they would be, Boykin and Boateng transferred, and Marty Pocius hardly contributed at all. That class, and the "horrible" 22-11 season in 06-07 set up the "Duke can't recruit" myth that has trickled down in the media. Mind you, 22-11 is a bit better than Georgetown's 16-15 mark last year, which was certainly a rebuilding year after losing most of your roster to graduation or the league.
Regardless, the coaching staff has certainly responded to the recruiting issue in the past two years, picking up guys like Andre Dawkins, Mason Plumlee, and Kyrie Irving-all top 20 recruits with alarming athleticism. I imagine these players will put the negative perceptions to bed, if they haven't been silenced already.
Interestingly, K's Duke program has been quite clean in the eyes of the NCAA yet his assistants, such as Quin Snyder at Mizzou and Amaker at Seton Hall, Michigan, and even Harvard, have had tumultuous careers at best, including NCAA dustups, while other former assistants, such as Johnny Dawkins and David Henderson lay eggs once they get their own programs. Is this sheer force of personality on K's part? How is it possible that his assistants suck when given the keys or end up cutting corners to cheat? Is he simply able to keep whatever issues Duke has under wraps?
I definitely agree that Quin Snyder did some shady things at Missouri. He's picking up the pieces coaching the Austin Toros in the NBDL, and I hope he gets a chance to redeem himself someday in the college ranks.
As for the rest of K's ‘coaching tree,' several guys you didn't mention have built solid programs, including Mike Brey and Notre Dame and Jeff Capel (former player, not assistant) at Virginia Commonwealth and Oklahoma. Moreover, Johnny Dawkins has hardly "laid an egg" at Stanford-he stepped into a program recently depleted of the Lopez twins and still managed a 20-14 record in his first year. He just picked up an excellent recruiting class for next year, including 4-star big man Dwight Powell. I think he'll be successful at Stanford, which is pretty difficult considering the academic standards for athletes. Wojo and Collins have been assistants for many years now, and may take up a head coaching spot sometime in the near future. Maybe then we can have another perspective on how well Duke assistants fare after leaving the alma mater.
So your statement that K's assistants suck kind of, well, sucks. Sure, none of them has lived up to the success of Coach K himself, but as you say, that's a difficult feat. Duke has had minimal controversy compared to other elite programs, because unlike Kansas, Connecticut, and Calipari, our coaching staff follows the example of Coach K. If there are issues, K doesn't keep them under wraps-he just deals with them as well as he can.
Talk to us a bit about what it means like to be part of the famous Cameron Crazies. Are the various cheers prompted during the games? How loud does it get in there when Duke plays rival UNC? Are the guys who put on blue body paint able to get all of that off in a single shower?

It's pretty incredible. Love us or hate us, we have a hell of a good time in Cameron. When I first went to Cameron as a freshman, I was shocked to see how small it was. But that makes it even more intimidating. Even if you're not a Duke fan, it's an amazing experience to be a part of that whole environment.
Cheers are usually spontaneous. They obviously change from game to game, but they all revolve around pissing off the other team and their fans. It usually works. Because Cameron is so small, it can get really loud, really quickly. The place was rocking for ‘Countdown to Craziness', and the atmosphere gets even more exciting when ACC season rolls around. And when Carolina comes to Cameron, it's elevated to a completely different level. Watching it on TV doesn't do it justice.
And the body paint? From personal experience, it takes about two or three showers to get that junk off. But it's well worth it.
How much tail do guys like Jon Scheyer and Kyle Singler get on campus?
Hah. Next question. (Casual Note: COME ON!)
Did you watch the humiliating ‘Titanic' video? Can you give ANY reason why they players would make it?
I mean, sure, that video will be anthologized by Duke haters forever. But honestly, who cares? Those videos were collaborations between DUI (Duke University Improv) and the basketball team. They were shown in Cameron during ‘Countdown to Craziness', our season kickoff. If say, Weber State had made the video, would anybody care or even know of its existence? (Casual Note: Yes. Yes they would.)
How do you see this game playing out? Prediction?
This game will probably be the toughest game of the year for Duke. Playing in a hostile Big East environment will surely test the mettle of a team that has certainly struggled on the road this year. While Duke's interior defense has improved this year, Monroe could be a serious problem for us down low. On the perimeter, I think Freeman could be very, very difficult to contain. He's stepped up in a big way for big games - 33 against UConn and 23 against ‘Cuse - and I have a feeling he's going to be a factor on Saturday.
The keys for Duke will be production from Nolan Smith, the Plumlee brothers, and rebounding. Smith is probably the only guy on this team who can create his own shot, and he's been playing at a high level all year. The Plumlees have shown flashes of brilliance this year, but have been maddeningly inconsistent. If they can establish themselves in the post, Duke has an entirely new dimension on offense. Duke's bigs will need to be busy on the offensive and defense glass for Duke to win this game.
If Nolan can get to the basket, the Plumlees can get position inside, and the Devils rebound, Duke should come out with the win.
Prediction: Duke 74 - Georgetown 70
This should be a great game. Good luck.
Eat it.
Casually.
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But not shocking for Duke, quite a bit of absurd superiority complex for a program that has been middling for a while. Of course their history is phenomenal but college hoops is about the here and now. If we’re measuring regular season, then they are outstanding but clearly that’s not the name of the game and everyone cares about how deep the tourney run is – particulary when they’ve been seeded no lower than 6 over the past 10 years (which admittedly includes one national championship).
Defending the assistants is just silly – Snyder was an absurd cheater who got lucky once and made an Elite 8 run. Amaker took Seton Hall to 2 Sweet 16s (which, apparently is all it takes to be a good coach these days) and was run out of 2 schools before getting in NCAA trouble with Harvard. David Henderson was run out of Delaware. Dawkins hasn’t exactly set the world on fire at Stanford and is currently sitting at 10-10 (sure, we’ll give him a few years). Calling Mike Brey the shining achievement of the coaching tree isn’t saying much but he’s done a very competent job at Notre Dame.
The dodge on the absolutely outlandish homoerotic Titanic video is laughable and I suppose we have to assume that Scheyer and Singler get no action.
by itsallthatmatters on Jan 29, 2010 9:39 AM EST reply actions
duke apologists
and they wonder why no one likes them
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Jan 29, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Personally, I like my assistants aggressive and unrepentant, like my man Broadus. Snyder/Dawkins/Amaker et al couldn’t have managed the Bingo turnaround job resulting in their first NCAA appearance ever.
Mike Brey only got that job after a Carolina guy, Matt Doherty, left…
by Takin' the Points on Jan 29, 2010 9:57 AM EST reply actions
curry in a hurry
Takin’ the Points is a well-documented Carolina apologist who was rooting for Stephen Curry and Davidson in the Game That Shall Not Be Named.
Casually.
I hope Singler
still forgets how to shoot b/c we don’t match up well with him at all. If he has bad shooting game, then I think we roll.
Plus how could he not get tail

who will be on singler
free?
High fives only on three pointers.
by TheYellofAllYells on Jan 29, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Monroe
Free will guard Nolan I assume, Clark on Scheyer. Does that make sense?
It's not you, it's me.
if it is monroe
is this really a bad matchup? I think not.
High fives only on three pointers.
by TheYellofAllYells on Jan 29, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Matchups
Should be:
Chris Wright- Nolan Smith
Austin Freeman-Kyle Singler
Jason Clark- Jon Scheyer
Julian Vaughn- Lance Thomas
Greg Monroe- Miles Plumlee
You forgot:
Big John Thompson – Krzyzewski’s mom
by Cubbies and Hoyas on Jan 29, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't Singler have like 6 inches on Free?
Ah but he doesn’t go inside anyway. Works for me.
It's not you, it's me.
such an advantage in the paint with those matchups
greg better take 20 shots.
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Jan 29, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Jeff Capel
I love that they take credit for Jeff Capel, who was an assistant under his Dad and persona-non-grata in the Duke family. What a bunch of front-runners.
Was Hoya Hoops referring to MWS......
I will be attending the game… but as JGD will tell you… I am anything but a dignitary…….
In honor of the GLOBAL PHENOMENON that has been established here, and the willingness to show my benevolence…. Assumng that I cleasr security before halftime, I will gladly treat any of the frequent posters to the Phenomenon with a free Miller Lite should they stop my seat or pass me in the hall and identify themselves to me…..
this would include such notables as CasualHoya (who most likely will still be in the Big Easy), Hire Esherick, lordnick (ok, I’ll make it a Peroni for you), itsallthatmatters, Jeff Green’s Dad, TheYellofAllYells, JahidiLikesPie, amongst others……
(there have been hints about my seat location over the numerous posts over the last 2 weeks… although my section is different this year than last year…… same level though….. needless to say, I am not in Section 108…. home of the ‘dancing fools’)……
Looking forward to treating you should any of you have the inclination…. (and proper logistics)
by MerlinWilson'sSister on Jan 29, 2010 1:41 PM EST reply actions
I will take you up on this
as the resident noob frequent poster on casual hoya (and hoyatalk social outcast) I would also love to meet you guys. I made friends on the internet!
I’ll be in section 119…just wait for a three pointer and i’ll be the guy trying to high five everyone in my section.
High fives only on three pointers.
by TheYellofAllYells on Jan 29, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
hopefully you won't have to wait long.
High fives only on three pointers.
by TheYellofAllYells on Jan 29, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
I hope not either.......
but the terms of the offer were locate me…..
by MerlinWilson'sSister on Jan 29, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
ok I'll try
I’m a 20 something white male and I’ll be wearing gray.
High fives only on three pointers.
by TheYellofAllYells on Jan 29, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
caption for coach K ref Cahill pic
I’ll love you long time if you call a technical on Monroe for just sitting quietly on the bench
give us duke thoughts
were you at ’89 regional game?
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Jan 29, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
'89
Was not at the 89 Regional…part of the dark years living overseas and learning the finer points of cricket. I’m glad to give thoughts on England West Indies Test.
Did go to the Duke game last year….Cameron is worth it for the experience. Easy to forget how close we came to winning the game with Wright and Sapp mysteriously on the bench, Summers missing half a dozen free throws and the phantom technical.
key to tomorrow’s game is jason clark. If he can shut down Scheyer, we’ll be in good shape. Singler hasn’t really adjusted to having to play bigger and Smith is erratic.
by sleepyhoya on Jan 29, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Getting into Cameron
What kind of Hoop Club donation do I need to make to get tickets to a game @ Duke? Do you know where I could sell an internal organ?
You think you'll have an easier time spotting me in there?
versus looking in the first 4 rows of the 200 level, between the end lines?
by MerlinWilson'sSister on Jan 29, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
I'll be in the nosebleeds...
fightin it out with the Dookies
It's not me, It's you
by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Jan 29, 2010 2:12 PM EST reply actions
my offer to you my friend.....
still holds…… a steak dinner if Hollis scores 18 pts…..
by MerlinWilson'sSister on Jan 29, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think you mean when....
not if.
Its only a matter of time.
It's not me, It's you
by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Jan 29, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
does it have to be this season?
be careful MWS…better lay down some rules.
High fives only on three pointers.
by TheYellofAllYells on Jan 29, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
yes.... has to be this season....
“If” is the operative term…. as it connotes that something might not happen…. as in Hollis scoring 18 pts in a game…. or the aggregate of the bench players not scoring 18 points in a Big East game for the remainder of the regular season….
“When” is the operative term utilized when something will definitely happen; te timing is uncertain…… such as when will Vaughn miss a 2-3 ft shot during each game,….. such as when (how long will it take) will Nikita’s fouls accumulated + turnovers exceed minutes played in the game…. such as when (how many minutes before) will they give the answer in the Jiffy Lube Question of the Game to the participant before they turn the mic on and create a sham of a quiz….
by MerlinWilson'sSister on Jan 29, 2010 3:06 PM EST reply actions
WHEN Hollis scores 18...
it will be against South Florida on Feb. 3.
Best to limit to this season, once Hollis makes the Junior Jump, I would be getting steak dinners every week. Not good for my cholesterol.
It's not me, It's you
by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Jan 29, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
hollis
if hollis scores 18 tomorrow, i’m buying chipotle burritos for everyone. Now i’ll be using that tee shirt gun to deliver them.
You tell 'em!
CH: EVERY SINGLE GAME we get this ridiculous question, so I can’t say I am surprised that someone who went to college in the Dumpster of the Carolinas (Durham) would ask the same kind of question as the guy who went to college in the Dumpster of the Earth (the kid from Rutgers).
Crap. I dropped my left nut from laughing… I wonder if crazy glue will do the trick.
Obviously...

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