Mount St. Mary's Mountaineers (3-2) vs. #16 Georgetown Hoyas (4-0)
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2009 10:22 AM EST
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Mount St. Mary's, Md. Mountaineers at Georgetown Hoyas, Nov 30, 2009 7:30 PM EST
TV: MASN
Radio: ESPN 980
Online: Mountaineers vs Hoyas coverage
Time: 7:30 PM EST
Location: Verizon Center, Washington, DC
View from the Student Section - A Perspective from Campus:
Like most of my fellow classmates I'd rather be watching Monday Night Football, but I did go on the internet during philosophy class this morning and found the following stats:
The All-Time Series with Georgetown...The Mount and Georgetown will be meeting for the 26th time on Monday night at the Verizon Center. It is a matchup of the two oldest Catholic Universities in the nation with the Hoyas holding a 20-5 lead in the series.
* Georgetown was founded in 1789 while the Mount was founded in 1808.
* This is the second-straight season the two teams have played. Prior to last year's 69-58 Georgetown win on Dec. 20, the previous meeting between the schools came in 1962.
* The Hoyas are 16-2 all-time at home against the Mount, including a 32-30 victory in the first-ever meeting on Jan. 11, 1926.
* The last Mount win over Georgetown was 93-79 at home on Jan. 18, 1961.
The Mount vs. Ranked Opponents...The Mount has a 1-14 record vs. ranked opponents since joining NCAA Division I in 1988-89.
* In the season-opener this year, the Mount lost to No. 17 Oklahoma, 95-71. Mount St. Mary's trailed 55-50 with just under 15 minutes left in the game, but the Sooners scored the next seven points (all at the foul line) and went on to the victory.
* Last year, the Mount fell to No. 15 Georgetown, 69-58, on Dec. 20 at the Verizon Center.
* The Mount's lone win against a ranked team came at No. 21 Georgia Tech on Dec. 18, 1995. Jeff Balistrere hit a game-winning lay-up at the buzzer to send the Mount to the victory at the Omni in Atlanta.
* Mount St. Mary's head coach Milan Brown is 0-5 all-time against ranked opponents. The losses have come to No. 1 North Carolina (113-74), No. 22 Maryland (89-56 on Jan. 4, 2005), No. 21 Notre Dame (78-64 on Nov. 29, 2003), No. 15 Georgetown (69-58 on Dec. 20, 2008) and No. 17 Oklahoma (95-71, Nov. 14, 2009).
* The Mount has advanced to the NCAA Division I Tournament three times, facing one of the top teams in the nation each time. In 1995, the Mount lost to No. 2 Kentucky, 113-67, while falling to No. 2 Michigan State, 76-53, in 1999. In 2008, the Mount lost to No. 1 North Carolina, 113-74.
Defense, Defense...After allowing 95 points in the season-opening loss at Oklahoma, the Mount defense has returned to form over the past four games.
* The Mount has held the opposition to 59.0 points and 36.0 percent shooting over the past three games.
* The opposition is shooting just 25.4 percent (17-of-67) in that stretch from three-point range.
Stuffing the Stat Sheet...Senior forward Kelly Beidler had an outstanding game at Navy on Saturday. * Beidler had nine points, 14 rebounds, five steals and four blocks in the 65-56 overtime win.
* The five steals were a career high while the four blocks matched a career high.
* The 14 rebounds (12 on the defensive glass) were just one off his career high of 15 set in the Mount's 69-60 win against Coppin State in the NCAA Opening Round game in 2008.
Boardwork...The Mount held a 45-40 advantage on the boards in the 65-56 overtime win at Navy on Saturday.
* The Mount is 2-0 this season when holding an edge on the boards.
* In the team's two losses, the Mount has been outrebounded by 18.5 boards per game. Both Oklahoma and Niagara grabbed 51 rebounds against the Mount.
* Under head coach Milan Brown, the Mount is 52-26 when holding the rebounding edge in a game, but is just 25-76 when the opponent outrebounds the Mount.
* Mount St. Mary's is allowing 15.8 offensive rebounds per game this season.
Man, this philosophy class is really boring.
View from the Court Side Seats - A Perspective from OldHoya:
OldHoya's vacation through the Italian countryside sadly comes to an end this evening, and he expects to make his triumphant return to Court Side for the game against American on Saturday. In the meantime, we suggest pouring yourself a nice Chianti in his honor while watching
Monday Night Footballthe Hoyas this evening.
View from the Sportsbook (via DonBest) - A Perspective from Vegas:
Shockingly Vegas doesn't have a line on tonight's Hoyas game, so let's focus on the game that really matters.The Saints are 5-0 Straight Up at home this season and 7-3 ATS in their last 10. As a 1 point favorite at home this is basically a pick 'em, and I'll take the undefeateds in the crazed Superdome against pretty boy Brady and his legion of Massholes. Who Dat.
The Pick: New Orleans Saints and the Over (56.5).
On the season:
The Hoyas are currently 1-1 ATS (that's 'Against The Spread' for those just tuning in).
Georgetown is 1-0 ATS on the road and 0-1 ATS at Verizon.
Casual Hoya is 2-0 ATS, 1-1 in Over/Unders.
www.casualhoya.com : Where Your Money Stays And Plays.
Casually.
Check back throughout the day for updated media coverage and during the game for updates.
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comment from lafayette coach
Following his team’s 97-64 loss to Georgetown on Saturday, Lafayette Coach Fran O’Hanlon said he was convinced this year’s Hoyas were a top-20 team.
But a top 10 team?
O’Hanlon hesitated, noting it was too early in the season to tell. He heaped praised on center Greg Monroe and said he was impressed with the Hoyas’ guard play. Then he hit on the issue that likely will determine whether the Hoyas make the leap to the sport’s elite: depth.
“I don’t know how deep they are,” O’Hanlon said, “but they certainly have a lot of pieces.”
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2009 10:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Hoyas still looked sluggish in the first 10 minutes of the game against Lafayette, but then shots started falling and Hollis relieved Vaughn to give the offense more life. O’Hanlon is right about depth especially on offense. Vaughn looked solid in the 2nd half, but Lafayette’s bigs weren’t very good (or big) and against real teams, Julian will probably continue to be an offensive black hole.
Despite putting up 98 97 points, I still have concerns about the offense. Jason Clark’s recent surge gives me a bit more confidence and Hollis showing serious offensive game helps too, but having only one effective big man on offense puts a lot of pressure on the back court. This team will have a lot of difficulty scoring if any one of the Austin, Jason, Chris trio has a rough game (unless Hollis can step up and add 8-12 points a game consistently, which would be really awesome).
I’m rambling now, but I’m going to keep rolling along. I really hope Austin gets his outside shot to freshman year levels, because with his slashing and the growth of his game around the basket, he could be a really complete offensive player. He has easily become our most consistent offensive player, but if his outside shot is falling he can be more than just steady. He can (and should) be a weapon. We’ll need that from him for sure.
The win on Saturday was a drubbing and the Hoyas were clicking better (by far) than they had to this point in the season, but there were still things that didn’t look good and, against better teams, will really hurt. They gave up too many outside looks and are still getting KILLED on the boards. The front court offensive game is really lacking right now (despite the 13 from Monroe and 11 mostly garbage time points from JV) so they’ll have to rely on the outside shot a lot more right now than is probably good for them, but if Clark and Thompson can keep hitting like they did against Lafayette, that would be a big boost and help out the inside game.
It was mentioned in the game thread for Lafayette, but something I’d love to see tonight (and beyond) is Vee taking a lot of Nikita’s minutes. Sanford looks like he can be really explosive on the offensive end and appears to give the Hoyas added offensive depth. If he gets the minutes, I think he can be real contributor.
Generally, I’m still really concerned with what is going to happen next Tuesday and beyond.
"It was almost like if Harry didn't call it, it wasn't real." - Jayson Stark
SB Nation
by Chris Haines on Nov 30, 2009 12:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Who Dat?
Depth is the biggest concern without any question and at the big position, it’s a major liability. Simms and Vaughn really can’t score (though I liked that Vaughn was at least overpowering the hapless Panthers in the second half) and the rebounding was atrocious – really can’t be overstated.
I’m pretty concerned with offensive motion too, particularly against the zone. There were some limited bright spots of cuts to the basket but for the most part, the entire team (with Wright the worst offender) was willing to stand in one place and chuck the first open look that came along.
This is still a team that needs someone to step forward and lead. It clearly hasn’t happened yet and I really don’t know who I’d put money on to do it. Undefeated is a great place to be but the old adage about winning being a great deodorant is rearing its ugly head.
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by itsallthatmatters on Nov 30, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Simms?
You do realize Phil played for the Giants and his son plays for Denver? The Hoyas have no one named Simms.
/hoyatalk dorkout
Henry Sims has done nothing but irritate me this year. He looks lost out there. That block that he had was nothing more than him being taller and using the fact that he was more athletic than the guy that BLEW by him by using a Patriot League move.
Vaughn has developed some semblance of a post game. Having said that, he is still a black hole on offense. If he starts a move in the post, he is going to the hole regardless of someone (or 3?) helping on D.
I am REALLY hoping to be proven wrong
Blip
by JahidiLikesPie on Nov 30, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Where would DaShonte Riley fit into this offense?
i see him off the bench after SIMS but before nikita
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like Sims
I think Dash probably starts off behind Sims, but within about 5 games would have took his minutes. He also has a pretty sweet nickname.
by Jeff Green's Dad on Nov 30, 2009 3:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dash...
Dash Rip Rock!!
GREAT College band operating out of New Orleans. Been putting it down for over 20 yrs.
Blip
by JahidiLikesPie on Nov 30, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think we need Macklin
Call me crazy, but I think Macklin would have been great in Julian and Henry’s role. I still can’t understand why he would stay two years backing up Roy and then decided right when playing time was coming that he would transfer.
by Jeff Green's Dad on Nov 30, 2009 3:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I heard...
…it was because he wanted his own dorm room and the administration (rightly) wouldn’t give one to him.
Gotta love those McDonald’s All-Americans.
Bad hamburgers.
Casually.
by CasualHoya on Nov 30, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the rest of his McD class
at the time he transfered 6 of his fellow ’06 mcdonalds all americans were in the nba and three more were entering the draft.
so out of the top ten players in the class of 2006 – vernon was the only one not to be on his way to the nba at the end of his sophomore season.
that’s why he transfered – he blamed jt3 for not teaching him how to hit FTs.
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2009 4:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
In a shocking twist, VMack putting up 10 and 6.3 for the Gators while hitting a whopping .444 from the line!
Have to agree with JGD that he would be vastly superior to either Macklin or SIMS (I’m hanging my head in shame) up to this point.
Also – I picked up one of those Angus burgers from McDonald’s while stuck at O’Hare. Pretty casual
Documented
by itsallthatmatters on Nov 30, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
V Mack's Mom
I saw her at Midnight Madness during his sophomore year, she had a very gold grill.
by Jeff Green's Dad on Nov 30, 2009 4:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
empty
Scored myself some suite seats though
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2009 7:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
new stands on both sides
No more dropping cell phones underneath
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2009 7:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
do I
Continue to come to pourhouse?
I am currently one of three. I can’t speak to whether I can let loose on simms (sp?) when the first d-III guy blows past him.
We shall see.
Blip
by JahidiLikesPie on Nov 30, 2009 7:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
who are these hoyas?
Monore down low to start?
Freeman hits open three?
Rebounding?
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2009 7:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
wow
- has GREAT hair for MSM
Blip
by JahidiLikesPie on Nov 30, 2009 7:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
kid n play
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2009 7:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
playing defense like unc
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2009 7:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
tempo
MSM on pace to score 80 points. Great.
by lordnick on Nov 30, 2009 7:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
band side decently crowded
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2009 7:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
hollis
Must shoot more
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2009 8:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Hollis
is quite good. Also, thus far Vaughn and Sims look great. They must have been reading all the Macklin talk
by Jeff Green's Dad on Nov 30, 2009 8:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
nikita having a career game
No fouls or turnovers
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2009 8:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
few fouls called
Only eight so far. Game flying by. Hopefully I will get home in time for Two and a Half Men
by lordnick on Nov 30, 2009 8:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
ending play of half
That is our go to play to end games.
Nikita from deep
Clank
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2009 8:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
view from the pourhouse
10 fans. 1 pack of asians that just gave up on the hoyas for the .50 wing special and not looking at my ugly face.
Not surprised
Blip
by JahidiLikesPie on Nov 30, 2009 8:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
fight in the stands!
Stolen wallet involved
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2009 8:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
most awkward cheerleading dance ever
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2009 8:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
drought
Have we scored this half? We stink.
by lordnick on Nov 30, 2009 8:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I will answer my own question
We were stuck at 51 from 15:55 to 11:19 in the second half while MSM went on a 9-0 run.
by lordnick on Nov 30, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
coach
I’m glad he aint wearing the double breasted coats. Those sukced
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2009 8:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
username
Suggestions for a blogging name for the guy sitting behind me?
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2009 8:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
username
Suggestions for a blogging name for the guy sitting behind me?
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2009 8:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
username
Suggestions for a blogging name for the guy sitting behind me?
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2009 8:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
that guy definitely had more than
Four days of pumpkin pie
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2009 8:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
good things happen
When monroe gets the ball
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2009 9:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
benimon gets some pt
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2009 9:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
the nikita streak continues
Good talk.
by Hire Esherick on Nov 30, 2009 9:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Hollis
Love the way he plays. Some people just know how to play basketball, he’s one of them. He’s like the anti-DaJuan.
by Jeff Green's Dad on Nov 30, 2009 9:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No Complaints
Monroe should not be blocked by a team like MSM, but all was fine in the end. Vaughn wasn’t too bad, Clark hustled. Something about Wright leave me very unsettled, even when he scores 18. And I just went and looked at Monroe’s stat-line (8-19, 19 points, 10 boards) and I feel a little better about that, actually.
by lordnick on Nov 30, 2009 9:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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